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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-14-1998 DRB Minutes DESIGN REVIEW BOARD APRIL 14, 1998 CITY COMMISSION ROOM, CITY HALL, 411 EAST MAIN 3:30 P.M. ITEM 1. CALL TO ORDER AND ATTENDANCE Chairperson Kim Walker called the meeting to order at 3:30 p.m. She directed the secretary to take the attendance. Members Present Members Absent Staff Present Visitors Present Ed McCrone Mara-Gai Katz Debbie Arkell Jim Ullman Henry Sorenson John Sherman Steve Coming Paul Gleye Andrew C. Epple Jim Coons Walt Willett Carol Schott Hamilton Ramos Bill Hanson Anthony Houtz Kim Walker Diane M. Leuschen Roger Cruwys Theresa Verez Estenson Marcia Youngman ITEM 2. MINUTES OF MARCH 10 AND 24, 1998,MEETINGS Chairperson Walker asked for corrections or additions to either set of minutes. Mr. Cruwys amended page 4 of the March 241h minutes. He then moved, Mr. McCrone seconded, to approve the amended minutes for March 24" and the minutes as presented for March 10t1'. The motion carried 7-0. Chairperson Walker noted that the new By-Laws changed the format for voting, it is now a roll- call vote. Mr. McCrone reported on the meeting with the City Commission yesterday noting that they appreciated the simplicity of the By-Laws and generally the document was very well received. Chairperson Walker asked Marsha Youngman, when any changes are made to the Design Review Board roster, if a current tenure list could be sent to her. ITEM 3. INFORMAL AND INITIAL WEEK PROJECT REVIEWS A. Fuddruckers Informal#I-9713 - (Arkelo 2825 West Main Street - An Informal Review for a proposed site plan. Jim Ullman joined DRB. Assistant Planning Director Debbie Arkell presented the application. She discussed the suggestions made thus far by the Planning Office. Mr. Willett noted the design is the same as all Fuddruckers. His concern is with the rear elevation Design Review Board Minutes-April 14. 1998 1 as it has no interest to it what so ever. Mr. Cruwys noted he is concerned with the amount of signage and the plainness of the entryway elevation. He suggested the elimination of two parking spaces to provide better access for deliveries. Mr. Ullman noted the owner has indicated he is choosing not to use the delivery access shown on the plans as it is too close to the car wash for the trucks to maneuver. Mr. Hanson concurred with Mr. Cruwys on the signage. He asked Mr. Ullman if this is standard signage for the business. Mr. Ullman noted it is. Mr. Hanson noted the signage on the west end doesn't address the highway and asked if it is needed. Mr. Ullman noted he hasn't had the opportunity to meet with the architects in Missoula to explain the rules and regulations for signage in Bozeman. Mr. Hanson asked for colored renderings of the elevations when the project is presented as a formal application. He asked if the cooler at the rear of the building will be enclosed. Mr. Ullman noted it will be a structure by itself, separate from, yet joined to the building. Mr. Hanson noted he would like to see the finish on the cooler structure match that of the main building. Discussion followed on the landscaping proposed and the elevation drop from the highway to the site. Mr. Hanson noted that with the drop in elevation,the blank wall might be screened with landscaping. Mr. McCrone concurred with the earlier discussion on signage. He noted the landscaping will help alleviate the boxiness of the building. He asked Planner Arkell to explain how the awnings fit into the signage. Planner Arkell noted the awnings are back-lit, therefore, the total sq. footage is calculated. Mr. McCrone asked that the south elevation be emphasized more to encourage customers. Mr. Sorenson noted he concurs with most of the discussion thus far. However, he feels that the stepped roofline over the entryway is emphasis enough. He suggested the addition of a covered entryway over the entrance to protect customers. Mr. Gleye asked where visibility is the most important. He made suggestions for the signage. He noted that if the top of the cooler can be seen from Main Street, there is a design problem. He asked for the required setback and the location of the property line. Mr. Cruwys suggested having a more defined pedestrian pathway from the parking lot. Chairperson Walker noted concerns with the dumpster location, snow storage, and the cooler being visible on the south elevation. She also would like to see a window pattern on the south elevation for the employees' benefit. She suggested consolidating the signage. Desi Review Board Minutes-April 14 199s>� P 2 B. Mall COA Inforrmal#Z-9849 - (Arkelo 2825 West Main Street - An Informal Review for a proposed expansion. Steve Corning and Jim Coons joined the DRB. Assistant Planning Director Debbie Arkell presented the application, noting the name of the Main Mall will change to the Gallatin Valley Mall. Mr. Corning gave a philosophical overview of the proposal. Mr. Coons noted the 1300 feet of wall with no enhancement is a great concern to them. He'd like to bring a store front image to the outside of the mall. He elaborated on their idea, noting they propose to install planters in the large open spaces between the proposed vaulted elements. Mr. Coons displayed renditions of the south elevation, the plot plan, and proposed west, east, and north elevations. Discussion followed on the landscaping shown to be added at a later date. Mr. Corning noted that the new idea in movie theaters is to have 20 to 30 screens or more and show the same movie on several screens a few minutes apart, to provide parents the opportunity to drop the children off at a Disney movie and themselves see an adult movie or shop, etc. Mr. Gleye noted the elements chosen are not unique. He suggested using more unique forms of architecture for enhancing the structure. Mr. Sorenson asked about the materials proposed. Mr. Coons noted the vaulted elements are just canopies. Mr. Sorenson noted he likes the proposal. The foliage along the building adds interest, as do the plantings in the parking lot. Mr. McCrone noted the proposal is a major improvement over what exists. The trees in the parking lot would be an additional enhancement. Mr. Hanson likes the revised sketch better than the one in the packets. He noted there may be difficulty with signage. Mr. Coons explained the signage that may be proposed. He noted they haven't approached the tenant signage as of yet. Mr. Corning noted the Anthonys section has been bought by Stages and they will be proposing a change in signage. Mr. Hanson noted he would like to see the installation of some columnar style trees to break up the blank walls. Mr. Cruwys concurred with Mr. Hanson about the trees in front of the building. He complimented the design, noting it is a great improvement. He'd like to see some plantings in the parking lot, at least a few, with more to be added later. Mr. Willett suggested making the center entrance a little larger,just to emphasize the center of the mall. Mr. Coons noted that they plan to emphasize the horizontal element as it is definitely there, so as to achieve a unified front. Mr. Sorenson noted that it is possible to do the unification with Design Review Board Minutes-April 14,1998 3 color. Mr. Gleye asked if the whole building has to be one color, then suggested they use color to break up the length of the facade. Discussion followed on the parking available and if there will be enough parking with the additions to the building. Chairperson Walker noted she much prefers the rendition shown today. She'd like to see more plantings in the parking lot, however, she understands the economics of doing the whole package now. Mr. Sorenson asked if they have had a discussion with Fuddruckers. Chairperson Walker suggested putting the signage on the blank wall spaces instead of on the roof canopies. Mr. Coons asked what the formal submittal will entail. Planner Arkell and Chairperson Walker explained the submittal requirements. D. American Bank West MiSP/COA#Z-9845 - (Sherman) 1632 West Main Street • An Initial Week Review of a proposed Minor Site Plan with a Certificate of Appropriateness Application to allow a 1633 sq. ft. addition and facade re- model to the existing bank. (Initial review of a two meeting review.) (The order of reviews was changed at the applicants' request, therefore, American Bank West was discussed prior to American Bank East.) Bruce and Carolyn Erickson and Jerry Locati joined the DRB. Mr. Erickson gave a history of the bank. He displayed the existing photos and the proposed changes. Mr. Locati explained the changes. Mr. Erickson noted they want to add an entrance nearer the parking lot. Planner/Urban Designer John Sherman presented the application, noting the Board will make a final decision on the project at their April 28"meeting. Chairperson Walker asked which was more accurate: the drawing or the blueprint. Mr. Erickson noted the drawing presented today is more accurate. Planner Sherman noted they plan to remove the two willow trees. Mrs. Erickson noted they are proposing to move them as Mr. Cashman of Cashman Nursery is confident they can be safely moved. Mr. McCrone reviewed the discussion of this site held during a previous meeting. Discussion followed on the shared access from Main Street. Mr. Erickson noted they have intentionally loaded the parking lot with vegetation. Mrs. Erickson explained the addition of a walkway to the business across the parking lot. Mr. Erickson noted that in speaking with the owners of the office building to the east, they want part of the originally proposed fence to stay. Design Review Board Minutes-April 14,1998 4 Mr. Gleye asked what is happening to the Petcetra building. Mr. Erickson noted they are not sure,they may just paint it to match the bank. Mr. Gleye commended the design, noting it now has architectural integrity. He suggested planting new willow trees instead of transplanting the old ones. Mr. Sorenson commended the new design. He asked about the Dryvit section on the drive-thru canopy and if the canopy could be lowered. Mr. Locati noted they are using the existing canopy and installing a new facade. Mr. Sorenson noted the existing automobile circulation is a "nightmare." Mr. Erickson noted it is critical for the business for both egress and ingress to continue from Babcock Street. Mr. Sorenson continued with his continents on the concerns with the design for the parking lot. Mr. Locati noted they are adding a substantial amount of landscaping and losing no parking spaces. He noted they have dropped one access from Main Street. Mr. McCrone commented on the landscaping. Mr. Locati noted they have bulbed the landscape curbing on the east side of the building to help direct traffic. Mr. Hanson was concerned about traffic flow and the back up room for certain parking stalls. He noted a potential for conflict between the two two-way drives. He asked about the fence. The Ericksons and Mr. Locati noted the fence adds definition to the property and it could be landscaped, bermed, etc. He asked about the materials where the building touches the ground. Mr. Locati noted the proposed variation to be added. Mr. Hanson noted that Dryvit tends to be a problem where moisture splashed onto it from the ground. Mr. Cruwys commended the design of the building, noting the simplicity is great. He suggested a method to save the willows, however he suggested not transplanting them as they will have a root system equal to the width of the canopy and will be difficult to move. He suggested looking into the moving of them with a horticulturist. He noted it may require a deviation to allow the driveway to encroach into the 8 foot side yard. He suggested a parking pattern. Mr. Locati noted they had used a similar option and found it didn't work. Mr. Cruwys suggested emphasizing the entryways with trees. Mr. Erickson noted they plan to install an irrigation system to maintain the landscaping as they have purchased 100 coniferous trees for the site and want to maintain them properly. Mr. Willett noted the existing addition to the bank doesn't work. He commended the new design and for following the recommendation of the DRB in eliminating the parking on the back of the building. He noted the defining of the parking lots between the buildings will help unstring the buildings. Mrs. Erickson noted that the addition was actually built onto the wrong elevation, making it difficult for the bank to use. Chairperson Walker noted the stacking of parking in the waiting lanes may cause accidents. She suggested a planting between the parking and the drive-thru traffic. Mr. Locati noted it presents a problem with snow removal. He feels the curbing for the planter would be a problem. Design Review Board Minutes-April 14,1998 5 C. American Bank East MiSP/COA#Z-9843 - (Arkell) 501 East Main Street • An Informal Review of a proposed Minor Site Plan with a Certificate of Appropriateness Application to allow the removal of one existing structure, partial demolition of another existing structure, and extensive remodeling and facade changes to create a 7,253 sq. ft. retail and bank facility. (Initial review of a two meeting review.) Bruce and Carolyn Erickson and Jerry Locati joined the DRB. Assistant Planning Director Debbie Arkell presented the application,noting it will be on the Board's April 28"agenda for action. Mr. Gleye asked who the tenants might be. Mrs. Erickson explained who the tenants might be (coffee shop, retail, etc.). Mr. Locati noted the face lift will leave the existing roof. He noted they plan to use the rendition on the south elevation to mimic the West Main site. Chairperson Walker asked if the parking lot will have alley access. Planner Arkell noted it would. Mr. Willett noted that this site works much better that the formerly approved site on Willson Avenue. Mr. Cruwys commended the design. Mr. Hanson noted his firm has run into problems with fire-separation issues with the drive-thrus. He noted that from a functional aspect, the egress to the alley could be a problem with the location of the columns as proposed. They may need to be moved back so as not to interfere with traffic circulation. He indicated a possible area for vehicular conflict on the alley exit. Mr. McCrone commented on the closing of the gates on the alley at night. He asked if there are skylights in the building. He is impressed with the design, being one of the most unique designs in its re-adaptation. It's good to see an old building being re-utilized. Mr. Sorenson commended the use of landscaping and design and the keeping of the street scape along Main Street. He noted concerns with the circulation and turning from the drive-thru into the alley. Chairperson Walker asked if the alley could have a yield sign. Planning Director Andrew Epple noted a yield sign could be installed,however, the traffic circulation concerns will be handled by the DRC. Mr. Gleye noted that access to the first parking stall could be a problem. Planner Arkell noted the parking spaces were granted by variance and variances go with the land. ITEM 4. ADJOURNMENT Chairperson Walker moved to adjourn the meeting. Mr. Hanson seconded the motion, which carried 7-0. Design Review Board Minutes-April 14.1998 i Paul Gleye, Vice- hairperson, Design Review Board Design Review Board Minutes-April 14,1998 7