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HomeMy WebLinkAbout10-28-1997 DRB Minutes DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TUESDAY, OCTOBER 28, 1997 MINUTES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ITEM 1. CALL TO ORDER AND ATTENDANCE The October 28, 1997,meeting of the Design Review Board was called to order by Chairperson Kim Walker at 3:35 p.m.. Members Present: Members Al,ent: Staff Present: Visitors Present: Roger Cruwys None Therese Berger Al Borrego Paul Gleye Andy Epple George Gibson Mara-Gai Katz Jody Olsen Jim Horan Ed McCrone Chris Saunders Mark Iwaniak Henry Sorenson Derek Strahn Earl& Janice Kim Walker Jei7y Taylor Walt Willett Mynia Williams Mike Winters Hank Eekoff ITEM 2. NILN TES OF OCTOBER 14, 1997 Chairperson Walker asked if there;were any additions, corrections or deletions to the October 14, 1997, Design Review Board minutes. Walt Willett moved, seconded by Paul Gleye,to approve the minutes as distributed. ITEM 3. CONSENT AGEIVA A. Interior home & Bath MiSP/COA#Z-97148 - (Olsen) N-E Coiner of Rawhide Ridge &North 19th Avenue A Minor Site Plan and Certificate of Appropriateness Application to allow the construction of a 9,000 square foot retail and warehouse building and related site improvements. Chairperson Walker explained the Consent Agenda meeting process and asked the applicant, architect George Gibson, and representative from Gaston Engineering, Mark Iwaniak, if they were in agreement with the Staff Report or if they had any questions. Mark Iwaniak indicated that these are some landscaping details that will need to be worked out;however, the owner is willing to make the required changes, including staggering the berming. Roger Cruwys suggested the applicant consider building the berm higher than 30", as he feels 30" would be a bit shallow. Mark Iwaniak agreed. MOTION-Paul Gleye moved, seconded by Mara-Gai Katz, to approve Zoning Application #Z-97148 with the conditions outlined in the Staff Report. The motion tamed 6-0. Design Review Board Minutes-October M,1997 1 ITEM 4. PROJECT REVIEWS A. Chuckwagon Chili MiSP/COA/DEV#-97159 - (Olsen) 720 South loth Avenue - A Minor Site Plan/Certificate of Appropriateness Application to allow the demolition of an existing building and the construction of a 1,700 sc are foot restaurant and related site improvements with a deviation to allow the patio seating area to extend into the required front yard setback. Jerry Taylor, applicant's representative from Taylor Architects, and applicant,Nancy Lurie,joined the Design Review Board (DRB). Assistant Planner Jody Olsen reviewed the Staff Report(on file at the City-County Planning Office),indicating that although the signage presented in the submittal exceeds the square.footage allowed for the site,the applicant did not request a deviation to allow this excess of signage, and such a deviation should not be considered at this time. Staff recommends, however,the applicant install only the monument sign, which conforms with code as proposed, and orient it perpendicular to South IOth Avenue to increase its visibility from College Street and South 10th Avenue. She indicated that the Historic Preservation Officer has reviewed the proposal against the policies and guidelines set for the Neighborhood Conservation Overlay District and determined, with the recommended conditions,this proposal would be acceptable. Planner Olsen reviewed the recommended conditions of approval, and relayed that the Development Review Committee voted to recommend conditional approval. Chairperson Kim Walker confirmed with Planner Olsen that the applicant is no longer requesting a deviation for signage. leis. Olsen indicated that Jerry Taylor, applicant's architect, originally requested a deviation to allow a larger freestanding sign;however,upon discussion with the owner, decided to proceed with a coni:omaing wall-mounted sign and perhaps entertain a deviation for a monument sign at a later date. Responding to Ed McCrone, Planner Olsen commented that the requested deviation is for an encroachment of approximately 17 :feet into the required front yard setback. He verified with Ms. Olsen that recommended condition 45 (vegetative hedge) is intended to offset the requested deviation and mitigate impacts to the residential neighborhood to the north. Mr. McCrone asked Jerry Taylor-T there are any objections to the conditions. Mr. Taylor replied that the only one he has some difficulty with is recommended condition#7 (mitigation of noise/odors), as he doesn't anticipate the proposed use would cause problems, and he fears its inclusion would allow the neighbors to drive his client's business. Noting the adjoining land uses, including the Colombo's Pizza restaurant and the Me and Jan's gas station, Mr. McCrone agreed that determinations concerning odor are rather subjective and he would be in favor of eliminating that condition. Planner Olsen explained that the inclusion of condition#7 was largely in response to concerned neighbors and seemed more reasonable than other possible mitigation measures such as limiting hours of operation. The intention was to put the applicants on notice that mitigation measures may be necessary if related provisions in the code are not met. Design Review Board Minutes-October A, 1997 2 In response to Mara-Gai Katz, Planner Olsen indicated that the code provisions are enforceable to the extent it can be determined odors aren't perceptible beyond the distance of 50 feet past the property line as mandated. Chairman Walker remarked that,because there are code provisions which address these concerns, she doesn't feel it necessary to include the condition. Several Board members agreed. Paul Gleye commented that, even though the property is on the edge of the district, he feels the proposal as inappropriate for the neighborhood in relation to guidelines for the Conservation Ov..-rlay District. The intent of the Con.serration Overlay District is primarily related to preserving and respecting the character of the neighborhood. The design, he said, should be eval-uated against and in keeping with the acknowledged development patterns that exist in the residential neighborhood itself and not with the adjoining business district. In terms of meeting the deviation criteria,he said it does not relate to any other structure in the district, and would be more appropriate on a commercial strip street where there is no context. If the site were in strictly within a business district,he concluded the issues would be different. Ed McCrone responded that the existing structures in the immediate,,icinitj should be considered and the site is in a transitional area. Further, he feels the design is an improvement to what is currently on the site and the code encourages contemporary designs that do not destroy significant historical or architectural structures when the design is compatible with surrounding structures. Responding to Mr. McCrone, Planner Olsen said no neighbors expressed opposition to the project and seemed to find the proposal would be appropriate with the recommended conditions outlined. Agreeing with Ed McCrone,Roger Cruwys remarked that the site is on the "cusp" of a "B-1" district, and given the eclectic natare of the neighborhood,he would support the proposal. Although he finds the design adequate. he feels the patio seating area could be better delineated with landscaping and materials that would reduce the appearance of being just a walkway and create a more functional seating area. Jerry Taylor noted that grading characteristics limit the full use of the yard, and the walk is also intended as a means to pass through the site without entering the building. Roger Cruwys cautioned against planting a honey locus in such close proximity to the sidewalk as they have a tendency to buckle concrete with their shallow roots. Walt Willett commented that the sit, is more transitional than residential or historic, and he feels the proposal is appropriate. He concurred with Mr. Cruwys' comments concerning the patio seating area. Mara-Gai Katz chose not to comment on the proposal as she was absent during its informal revi-.w. Chairperson Walker reflected on the number of commercial developments adjacent to residential uses in the Conservation Overlay District. She remarked that the guidelines should be relative to what the surrounding uses are, and consideration should be given to transitional areas. She declared her support of the proposal, for reasons expressed by Mr. McCrone, with the elimination of recommended condition#7. Design Review Board Mimites-October 28, 1997 3 In response to the Chairperson Walker,Nancy Lurie indicated she has no disagreement with the recommended conditions and feeLS the proposal will be an improvement to what currently exists on the site. MOTION- Chairperson Kim Walker moved, seconded by Ed McCrone, to recornmend approval of Zoning Application#Z-97159 with the conditions outlined in the Staff Report, with the exception o: recommended condition#7. The motion carried 5-1; those in favor being Kim Walker, Ed McCrone, Mara-Gai Katz,Roger Cruwys, and Walt Willett. Voting against was Paul Gleye. The recommendation of conditional approval will be forwarded to the City Commission for its consideration at the 7:00 p.m. hearing on Monday,November 17, 1997. B. West Kagy Development PUD Concept Plan#Z-97I63 -(Olsen) SW Corner of West Kagy Boulevard& South 1 lth Avenue A Planned Unit Development Concept Plan Application to allow a commercial office developmen`on approximately 15 acres. Assistant Planner Jody Olsen reviewed her Memorandum dated 23 October 1997, indicating that the purpose of the concept review is to allow discussion so that major problems can be identified by the . applicant prior to the submission of a formal application. She noted that the plan does not address internal pedestrian and bicycle circulation or outdoor recreational areas, and given the open space, setback, and parking requirements,it appears the site may be somewhat over-built. She added that the preliminary PUD plan application will also need to include specific development guidelines and landscaping information. In the absence of the applicant or representative,the Design Review Board agreed to continue the discussion until such time th,.-proposal could be represented. Upon the arrival of Dan Kamp, planning consultant for the applicant, Gene Cook, discussion continued. Dan Kamp discussed the conceptual plan, indicating that it is very- schematic and many of the concerns outlined by staff are in the process of being addressed. He indicated that the landscaping will all be in common ownership, which should create a desired unity in the maintenance of the landscaped and parking lot areas. Responding to Walt Willett, Dan Kamp indicated that the owner has not completely ruled out the possibility of providing some residential units on the upper floors of certain buildings. The mixed uses,he said, will be dictated by the needs of the individual commercial occupants. In response to Kim Walker, Dan Kamp stated that the signage plan will be similar to that of the Landmark Center, with larger multiple business, locational, signage as well as indi-vidual building identification signage. Chairperson Kim Walker commented that the parking does not seem to line up well,potentially creating traffic circulation problems and confusion. Mr. Kamp responded that he has been discussing the parking layout with engineering staff, and the parking will be addressed in more detail in the preliminary PUD submittal. Chairperson Kim Walker noted that a clustering of buildings and a trails Design Review Board Minutes-October 28, 1997 4 system are not included in the project. Upon describing adjacent land uses; Mr. Kamp discussed the potential for an east-west connection to the adjoining property to the west, depending on development plans for that property. He noted that the drives will be 26 feet wide. fle said that it is the owner's intent to include pedestrian circulation facilities which would link some of the open space areas, as well as provide a logical connection between buildings. He added that he understands the need for pedestrian and bicycle circulation and is working on the concepts. Henry Sorenson expressed concern regarding the ability to find one's way around the development. Other Board members agreed. Mr. Kamp replied that there will be a logical numbering of buildings and appropriate signage. Further,he said the development guidelines should provide for some distinctiveness of building character so individual businesses could be easily located. He added that the complex will contain the kinds ofbusinesses, such as professional offices,title companies, etc., that will not attempt to draw people in off the street without some previous contact. Mara-Gai Katz commented that one of the problems with the Landmark Center is finding one's way around within the complex. She suggested careful consideration be given to the signage and numbering system. Paul Gleye expressed concern wit:'i the complexity of the design in conjunction with the orientation of some of the buildings. He suggested a more methodical orientation and logic to the site plan. He noted that there seems to be a lot of street in the development for the building square footage. Noting that all of the buildings are proposed at roughly the same size,Walt Willett recommended providing some larger buildings for anchor tenants that visitors could gain a frame of reference to. Mr. Kamp responded that the concept is that the developer might sell two lots to a client wanting one larger building. He believes there would be a mix of sizes and the plan shows conceptual building footprints. Roger Cruwys commented that his initial reaction to the proposal is that it is "utter chaos". He remarked that the design in phase 2 of the proposal seems to fall apart, and feels there should be more of a grouping of businesses rather than the sporadic layout of the road. He agreed with staff concerns regarding pedestrian/bicycle circulation, and feels provisions for meandering walks to and through open space areas would be desirable. Dan Kamp commented that the concept attempts to eliminate some of the problems evident at Kagy Corner by providing more than adequate parking for the buildings that are there. Noting the three main accesses, two on Kagy and one on South 1 lth, he assured the Board that parking will not be permitted along the drive isles and building sites will be well-defined iidth landscaping. Paul Gleye suggested creating a mbror image of half the plan on the other to create some logic to the design. Chairperson Kim Walker said that finding a business within the complex would nightmare, and she Design Review Board Minutes-October 28, 1997 5 would visualize traffic stopping and starting in the confusion. Henry Sorenson agreed. Mara-Gai Katz remarked on the amount of green space that is not useful, and suggested some larger areas be provided.From her experience working in similar complexes,usable, we'11-defined open space areas are needed. She added that although she doesn't feel the plan must be symmetrical, the clustering of buildings should be racrre cohesive. Roger Cruwys agreed, suggesting a large central open space area, surrounded by buildings with a peripheral clustering of buildings as a core. Ed McCrone remarked that he appreciates the concept of trying to create a business center that doesn't look like all of the rest. Chairperson Walker commented that there seems to be an opportunity to create something unique on the property. She observed that the plan seems an attempt to recreate the feeling of smaller buildings. - Walt Willett remarked that he feels the buildings are spread too evenly over the whole site. Planning Director Epple noted that the project consists of three roughly 5 acre lots. Dan Kamp expressed some confusion regarding comments made and tried to capsulize the Board's comments. While some of the earlier discussion,he said, related to lack of order and symmetry,he also heard members say they would like something with less symmetry. Roger Cruwys reiterated that the development could be made more fulictional by clustering of buildings and open space. He suggested starting with the pedestrian and vehicular circulation, and then deal with building placement. Paul Gleye commented that although the development doesn't need to look like a traditional Bozeman neighborhood,he feels it needs more clarity and less randomness. He suggested doing this by maximizing green space and minimizing road surfaces, Henry Sorenson noted that one of staffs' comments was that the site might be over-built. C. Williams Appeal of ADR Decision #Z-97149A- (Strahn) 706 South Black Avenue - The Appeal of an Administrative Design Review staff condition imposed related to the treatment of copper roofing materials installed without permits. Myrna Williams and Mike Winters, applicants,joined the Design Review Board(DRB). Historic Preservation Officer/Planner Derek Strahn indicated that an Administrative Design Review (ADR) determination was made when Associate Planner Dean Patterson was still on staff concerning the removal of asphalt roofing materials initiated without the appropriate approvals from the Planning Office and Building Division at 706 South Black Avenue, and its replacement with double lock Design Review Board Minutes-October 28, 1997 standing seam copper roofing material. The fact that the project was initiated without approvals and much of the front portion of the stricture has been altered,made the review difficult in terms of limiting alternatives available to staff in addressing impacts on the neighborhood. Upon reviewing the proposal against the Department of Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation and Guidelines for Rehabilitating Historic Buildin-u, which recommend that new works be compatible in terms of size, scale, design, material color and texture, ADR staff concluded the material creates an adverse impact on the historic character of the neighborhood due to its highly reflective character. Describing how an oxide forms which turns copper green over time, 3\1r. Strahn noted that Herb Dawson, the State Historical Architect, suggested the application of a chemical solution designed to accelerate the creation of a patina to the roofing material to dull the glare and hasten the oxidation process. Information on a resource for the patina and its application was provided to the applicant. It was noted that the solution and even the oxidation process itself,may cause damage to siding and/ or landscaping and strongly suggested the careful application of the solution. Consequently, he said, ADR staff attempted to find a compromise between rejecting the application outright, thus requiring the removal of the copper material,or approving the proposal with a condition necessitating the accelerated aging and dulling of the reflectiveness of the copper. He briefly reviewed some of the applicants' appeal contentions whic'a relate mostly to the constitutionality of certain provisions in tha Zoning Ordinance, and asked Board members to provide comment and advise on the appropriateness of the copper roof material ill relation to ADR staffs' condition. In response to Chairperson Kun Walker,Planner Strahn indicated that the roof alterations began in mid-September, and the applicant was notified of permitting requirements and obtained application at that time. Walt Willett remarked that the Board is not concerned with constitutionality issues. Planning Director Epple agreed that the Board is strictly dealing with design issues and the condition imposed by ADR staff. Responding to Paul Gleye, Mike Winters indicated that the copper may take a Iona time to turn green because of the dry climate. Myma Williams added that the material first turns bronze, and, after many years, turns green. She noted that in the course of two months, the material has already bronzed. Mr. Winters stated that he has installed many copper roofs and has not seen any damage to siding materials or landscaping caused by the natural aging process. He remarked that he and Ms. Williams feet strongly that they shouldn't have to spend the time and money to create what nature would do by itself in time,thus dulling the roofing material. Myna Williams commented that she doesn't understand what the problem is with the copper roof as it is now. She noted recent applications of reflective copper roofing material onto historic buildings in other towns across the country. She also relayed that she has had numerous comments regarding the beauty of the roof. Noting her experience with applying patina to roofs,Mara-Gai Katz asked if other chemical treatments were explored. Mr. Strahn indicated that the condition was based on the recommendation of the State Historical Architect; however, other treatments might be available. Design Review Board Minutes-Octobar 28, 1997 7 Planner Strahn remarked that while copper is a historic material,the reflective nature of the roof in the context of the neighborhood is atypical in that it has become an active part of the neighborhood due to its glare. He also noted that the original historic character of the residence was substantially modified in the late 70s or early 80s, without permits on record, and has lost any historic relevance. He also noted that the structure is across the street from the South Tracy/South Black Historic District. Roger Cruwys commented that although he would like to take the applicants' word that the copper will dull in a timely manner,he has to consider the tandards. While he does not have a problem with copper and feels the neighbo-hood is rather eclectic,he has concerns regarding its reflectivity. He asked for some assurances, in weeks or years,how long the natural oxidation process would take. He added that, as it exists today,he feels it is too reflective and out of character with the . neighborhood. Agreeing with Mr. Cruwys,Ed McCrone indicated that the roof is very noticeable. He described the different character of the adjacent historic neighborhood and questioned stacks of shake roofing material he saw stacked in the applicants' yard. Mike Winters responded that they were originally going to re-roof with shakes, but decided on copper. Mr. McCrone added that,with the length of the eaves, he feels oxidation would not stain the siding. Mara-Gai Katz agreed with Mr. Cruwys, and remarked that the reflectivity is more of an issue than the fact the material is metal. Over a period of time, she feels the roof should be revisited to see if it has dulled,thus reducing the visual impact. She added that she feels copper creates more of a commercial, rather than residential, characteristic, and she is disturbed by this project possibly setting a precedent in the Conservation Overlay District. Walt Willett remarked that copper is of high quality and better than some of the metal siding and roofing material projects that have been approved. He feels that although it shouldn't take too long for the reflectivity to dull, he wonders if the neighbors should have to put up with it until it does so. He remarked that the area of the roof that is visible from the street contributes to the problem to a large extent. Paul Gleye indicated that in reviewing the application he asked himself the following questions: 1) Is the roof material historic?; 2)Is the roof material compatible with the historic character of the house?; and 3)Is the roofing material compatible with the Zoning Ordinance,namely does it intrude upon the character of the neighborhood? His responses were that copper has been used historically and the residence is not historic; however, the language in the ordinance is "mushy". While the material currently creates an irnpa.-t, he doesn't feel applying the condition would serve the public purpose if the problem no longer exists in a relatively short period of time. Any staining of the house,he said, seems a problem of the applicants and not the City's. Further,he doesn't feel the applicant should be held harmless if blinding light causes an accident or complaints from neighbors. Chairperson Walker agreed, indicating a concern with safety. She added that the neighborhood does not seem exemplary in terms of having a uniform historic character. Design Review Board Minutes-October 28, 1997 �. Board members discussed the possibility of allowing the roof to age naturally,but holding the applicant to mitigation measures if the issue with reflectivity isn't resolved after a certain period of time. Myrna Williams indicated that she has planters out of the same material that, after sitting out for the summer, have bronzed. Mike Winters expressed concern that the application of chemicals might create other, less desirable concerns, such as blotchiness. Upon going around the room, Paul Gleye recommended the appeal be granted. However,in granting the appeal, he feels the applicant should not be held harmless from other people believing it is a nuisance. Mara-Gai Katz recommended the appeal be granted with a condition that its reflectivity be revisited by the DRB or City Commission in two years. Ed McCrone recommended the appeal be granted in accordance with Mr..Gleye's comments. He acknowledged that copper is a quality roofing material. Roger Cruwys recommend the appeal be granted, given the "eclecticism" of the neighborhood. He also finds that it is not the copper.roofing,but its reflectivity,that is obtrusive, something that may not be an issue in two years. Chairperson Walker and Walt Willett recommended the appeal be granted in concert with Mr. Gleye's recommendation. NOTE: Given the Design Review Board's general support of the applicants' appeal, planning staff subsequently decided to modify the condition requiring the application of a chemical solution to generate a patina. The applicants therefore agreed to drop the appeal. D. Peace Alterations COA#Z-97162 -(Strahn) 420 West Mendenhall Street - A Certificate of Appropriateness Application for the installation of new roofing and siding materials,the replacement of various windows , and the enclosure of a storage room. Earl Peace, applicant, and his contractor,Hank Eekoff of Eagle Exterior,joined the Design Review Board(DRB). Henry Sorenson at-rived late to the meeting. Historic Preservation Officer/Planner Derek Strahn reN iewed the Staff Report (on file at the City-County Planning Office) and distributed the materials samples provided by the applicant. He explained that this proposal would normally be reviewed by Administrative Design Review(ADR) staff; however,in Dean Patterson's absence, the code is clear with respect to staffing requirements for such reviews. He summarized the recommended conditions of approval, emphasizing his preference that the structure be restored to its original condition. He added that conditions imposed are an attempt to address staff concerns regarding the complete"plasticization"of the historical structure. Design Review Board Minutes-October 28, 1997 9 Ed McCrone relayed that,in his experience, asbestos is less freyable if broken in large chunks,than if it were to be drilled into. Responding to Ed McCrone,Ed Peace confirmed that the original lap siding is under the asbestos; however, the condition is such he doesn't want to try to rejuvenate it. He also noted that some of the storm windows on the upper story are wood and some are alumimim. Mr. Peace thanked Planner Strahn for his presentation, and indicated that he would like to improve the old building. He described the changes proposed to the windows and the possibility of special ordering windows with diamond grids. He also noted that he would like to leave the original divided picture window on the west elevation intact and install a storm window to fit over the entire window. He indicated that the remaining windows are all double hung and would replaced in as near the same style as possible. He added that he would work with Derek Strahn to ensure the windows will be appropriate. Earl Peace remarked that roughly 30% of the structure is currently covered with T1-11 siding. In consultation with his contractor,he feels most of the asbestos dust will be retained under the vinyl siding. He indicated that he has worked on restoring old siding and does not want to do another such project. He described the merits of vinyl siding, including its energy conservation value, durability, and similarity to old lap siding. He added that if vinyl is not approved,there is a very slim chance he would Chang.-the siding at all. Some discussion ensued regarding;state permitting requirements for asbestos removal, the conclusion being the issue would need further research. In response to Ed McCrone, Hank Eckoff described the likely method of vinyl siding installation, indicating that in similar projects lie saw no distribution of asbestos. He contended that nailing the material would create less freying than drilling, and described the weight dispersion on each 3"nail being roughly %pound. He also described recent projects in other coliununities using similar vinyl siding to restore historical buildings. Paul Gleye said he imagines the long term future of the house as being fully restored to its original condition. The most important issue:, he said, is ensuring the original lap siding is not destroyed as that is the real value of the structure. The application of vinyl siding over the asbestos, he feels would not irreversibly destroy the historic fabric that somebody may want to restore. Henry Sorenson commented that the older the asbestos siding is, the more brittle it becomes. He expressed concern that the 3" nails would split the asbestos, and in this way create a larger contamination problem for someone wishing to restore the house to its original wood lap siding. He recommended in favor of removing the asbestos siding now. Mr. Sorenson questioned whether the applicant would be able to find an acceptable replacement for the diamond-shaped windows, and suggested,rather than replacing them, sealing them up with storm sashes. This would ensure this more valuable aspect of the original house remains intact. Mr. Peace . verified that ventilation is not an issue as the building is fully air-conditioned. Design Review Board Minutes-October 28, 1997 10 Mara-Katz agreed with Mr. Sorenson's remarks concerning the diamond-shaped windows. She doesn't feel simulated divisions on a replacement window would be acceptable. Because there are so few remaining historical structures, she feels the owner has some responsibility to ensure the original lap siding is not destroyed. Although relatively maintenance free, she doesn't feel,"inyl is an appropriate historic material. Ed McCrone said that if it were his,he would remove the asbestos and restore the original lap siding. He understands that if the asbestos is split it is less freyable; however, it still could create a problem at a later date. He suggested the installation of clear panes over the diamond-shaped windows. Roger Cruwys said that although he,too, would like to see the house restored to its original character,he understands the applicants concerns in proposing vinyl siding. He feels the applicant -` has taken time and effort to research the possibilities, and is relying upon the expertise of someone with experience in similar project. Walt Willett commented that he feels the house is beautiful with the exception of the asbestos siding. He would prefer the masonite be covered or disposed of. In response to Mr. Willett, Earl Peace indicated that he is contemplating placing the decorative shingle (sample displayed) in the gables, as is historically on houses of this style. Chairperson Walker commented that the applicant is more concerned with energy conservation and maintenance than restoring the house, and feels Mr. Gleye's comments are appropriate. After a general discussion clarifying the implications of recommended condition 43, Paul Gleye remarked that either restoring the original lap siding or applying the vinyl siding would be acceptable so long as the original lap siding is preserved and the Chief Building Official can approve the application of the ,inyl over the asbestos siding. MOTION-Paul Gleye moved, seconded by Ed McCrone, to approve Zoning Application#Z-97162 subject to conditions#1, #2, #4, and#5, and the replacement of condition 43 as follows: "The applicant shall retain the original wood lap siding and the new vinyl siding may be applied over it, with or without the removal of the asbestos siding, subject to the approval of the Chief Building Official." The motion carried 5 ; those voting in favor were Paul Gleye, Ed McCrone, Roger Cru,vys, Kim Walker, and Walt Willett. Opposed were Mara-Gai Katz and Henry Sorenson. ITEM 5. INFORMAL REVIEW A. Hell Roaring Brewery Informal #I-9733 - (Strahn/Saunders) 820 Front Street - An Informal Review for advise on the re-use and redevelopment of the old Northeni Pacific Depot as a micro brewery/pud/restaurant. Al Borrego and Jim Horan, applicants,joined the Design Review Board(DRB). Due to a possib'_e conflict of interest, Board Member Ed McCrone sat out of this review. Historic Preservation Officer/Planner Derek Strahn reviewed the proposal, indicating the use is consistent with the neighborhood and an appropriate reuse of the structure. He indicated that the building is in good Design Review Board Minutes-October 28, 1997 11 shape and well-preserved. In light of improvements made to the Lehrkind mansion and the Haynes building, he feels the project will contribute to a trend of improvements in the neighborhood. Jim Horan indicated that they have had conversations with Montana Rail Link to lease the property and noted that alterations to the building will be minimal. A deck and boardwalk is proposed, in addition to a grain silo and restored boxcar as a functional cold storage addition to the brewery. Walt Willett remarked that the boxcar doesn't bother him as much as its proposed orientation. Several Board members agreed as did Chairperson Kim Walker. Planner Strahn indicated that railroad depots historically had park areas and that this depot was not exception. The subject proposal attempts to bring back that characteristic and to possibly buffer the "not-as-attractive"Idaho Pole site.` ` Mara-Gai Katz said she like the open space along the sides of the building,but suggested altering the parking so that it is not so far away or utilizing parking areas across Front Street. Paul Gleye agreed walking through landscaped areas seems nice in the summer; however,in the winter visitors will want short walking distances. In response to Paul Gleye,Planner Strahn indicated that the only fragment of the original landscaping remaining are several large tree stumps and overgrown grass. Henry Sorenson questioned whether a historical site plan or photographs of the original grounds are available. Jim Horan indicated that Planner Strahn made available to them plans of the building,but not of the grounds. He also indicated that parking across Front Street would be desirable, however due to a requirement for a perpetual lease agreement, it is unlikely. Planner Strahn indicated he would try to find information on the grounds, and reminded the applicants of the design services that would be able to assist in the project. ITEM 5. DISCUSSION ITEM A. Proposed DRB By-laws Due to the late hour, the DRB unanimously agreed to continue the discussion item on DRB by-laws until the next regular meeting on Wednesday,November 12, 1997. The Board also unanimously agreed there should be no December 23rd meeting.. ITEM 6. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business before the Board, the October 28, 1997, Design Review Board meeting warad' timed at 0"" p.m. Kim Walke , irperson, Design Review Board Design Review Board Minutes-October 28,1997 12