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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-15-1997 DRC Minutes DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE TUESDAY, APRIL 15, 1997 Members Present: Dave Skelton,Phill Forbes, Larry Woodward,Neil Poulsen, Craig Brawner, Roger Sicz, Chuck Winn Staff Present: Debbie Arkell, Pat Estey,Rick Hixson, James Nickelson, Carol Schott Visitors Present: Don Bockhahn, Lowell Springer, Gene Mickolio, Joan Rudberg,Nadia Beiser Chairperson Dave Skelton called the meeting to order at 10:03 a.m. He noted that there were two reviews and one discussion item on the agenda. A. SECOND WEEK REVIEW l. Carson Place Subdivision and Zoning PUD#P-9716 &Z-9726 - (Skelton) 1304 West Babcock Street - A Subdivision and Zoning PUD Application to allow a 19-unit townhouse PUD subdivision with one of the townhouse buildings to have six units which exceeds the maximum units per cluster of five allowed by the Code. Don Bockhahn and Gene Mickolio joined DRC. Chairperson/Planner Dave Skelton introduced the project and noted that the applicant proposes a full City standard street for N. 13th Avenue with a portion of it being 1/2 a street width. He discussed the property to the east. He continued that the applicant is willing to sign waivers of protest for SID's for West Babcock and S. 13th Avenue. He asked Mr. Sicz if the waivers should include signalization on N. 19th Avenue. Mr. Woodward noted that some mains are shown under existing buildings. Mr. Bockhahn explained that the house is old and will be removed. Mr. Woodward noted that there would be a problem with the services due the way the garages are proposed. He continued that when the trenches are dug for installing the water/sewer, they may undermine the garages. He noted that there may be some extra cost with compacting and the applicant may want to consider putting in the footings for the garages after the water/sewer lines are installed. He continued that the curb boxes being installed in concrete will pose problems as they will eventually crack. He asked the applicant how the services for the property across the road were determined. Mr. Bockhahn noted that the services are for duplexes and are part of the agreement he made with the property owner for the granting of the necessary easement for the roadway. Mr. Sicz asked how the drainage will be controlled. Mr. Springer explained the drainage plan. Mr. Hixson asked for the location of the retention ponds. Mr. Mickolio noted that there is one planned along Babcock Street in the common open space and not in the right-of-way. Discussion ensued on common open space vs. retention pond area. Mr. Hixson noted that the retention pond will have to be deeper than the one foot proposed. Discussion followed on the run-off capacities and where the overflow will drain. Mr. Hixson noted that the design has to show that the retention pond will indeed hold the required run-off for a ten-year,two-hour storm event. Development Review Conunittee Minutes-April 15,1997 1 Mr. Hixson noted that Mr.Nickelson has expressed concern about the sanitary sewer layout and the possibility to eliminate some of the proposed manholes. Discussion followed on the manholes to be eliminated. Mr. Brawner suggested that if Mr. Springer would bring in some preliminary elevations, the Engineering Department would be happy to review them. Planner Skelton noted that there will have to be fire hydrants located along N. 13. Mr. Springer noted that they have already been approved. Planner Skelton noted that the ground work is being laid for a full width City street on N. 13th Avenue. Mr. Springer noted on the site plan where the street will be full width with all improvements and where it will be %a width with curb, gutter, and sidewalk on the west side. Discussion followed on the narrow portion of the street. Mr. Sicz noted that the City doesn't want to maintain the narrow portion. Planner Skelton suggested making it a private street easement until Phase II is developed . Mr. Brawner noted that the temporary curb will at least continue the drainage to the proper point. Discussion continued on the paved surface. Mr. Brawner suggested installing no parking signs along the narrowed section of the street. Mr. Hixson noted that a temporary retention pond in the area of Phase 11 would maybe work until Phase II is constructed. Discussion of snow removal issues ensued. Planner Skelton noted that written comments are due next week. The project will also be reviewed by DRB next week. B. FIRST WEEK REVIEW 1. Montana Kids Child Care Facility Expansion MiSP/COA#Z-9731 - (Arkell) 1105 Campbell Road - A Minor Site Plan with a Certificate of Appropriateness Application to allow the construction of a 1728 sq. ft. (footprint) 3-car garage with day care center classrooms and facilities on the second level for the Montana Kids Child Care Facility Chairperson Skelton introduced the project. Assistant Planning Director Debbie Arkell reviewed the project. She noted that the original improvements have been installed and the LOC has been released. Mr. Woodward inquired how many wells are planned. Planner Arkell noted she would check on the number of wells. Mr. Woodward noted that they will be required to install a separate sewer line and have the water wells metered to determine monthly sewer charges. Mr. Winn asked Planner Arkell to contact the Belgrade Fire District. Chairperson Skelton noted that a decision will be made in two weeks. Planner Arkell noted that DRB will make their decision next week. Mr. Hixson noted that the retention/detention pond information is conflicting. Development Review Committee Minutes-April 15, 1997 2 C. DISCUSSION ITEM l. Ft. Ellis sewer extension Chairperson Skelton introduced the project. Nadia Beiser joined DRC. Mr. Forbes noted there was no real discussion of the sewer extension at City Commission yesterday. He asked Ms. Beiser to respond to the letter sent yesterday. Ms. Beiser noted that though City Staff isn't in support of the project,the reasons are not new ones. She noted that number three may have some inaccurate statements. The first sentence is true. The statements referring to conforming to the Municipal Code and the Zoning Code are inaccurate as neither goes into design issues for sewage disposal. She noted that the rules from the State changed just before she got the sewer design to them. She continued that reason#4 isn't totally correct. Ms. Beiser noted that the County is now telling her that conventional systems aren't adequate and the packaged system is not appropriate. She'd like all but the first sentence and the last paragraph stricken from reason number three. Mr. Brawner noted his interpretation of reason number three. He and Ms. Beiser agreed that number three should be re-worded so it is more clear. Ms. Beiser noted that she is not in a position to comment on the maintenance of the sewer main. Mr. Forbes noted that City Staff will rewrite Item two in Paragraph four so it is more clearly stated. He indicated the Planning Office will get a copy of the rewritten letter to Ms. Beiser as soon as it is prepared. Ms. Beiser confirmed that the Ft. Ellis sewer extension will be a discussion item before the City Commission next Monday. She commended City Staff for the clearly stated positions and reasons given on the sewer extension. Mr. Forbes thanked her for bringing the issue before the City as it needs to be addressed. Mr. Brawner noted that the costs will be substantially greater than indicated in her projections or about double the figures in the projections. Ms. Beiser noted that the projected cost was only for part of the system and doesn't include the lift station, etc, Mr. Forbes noted that Staff has requested a policy statement from City Commission regarding extensions of City sewer mains outside the City. Discussion ensued on the alternatives for subdivisions with approval or non-approval of sewer extensions. Ms. Beiser noted that she did not plan to re-design either phase for more lots. She continued with an explanation on how the regulations have changed since the PUD approval was given. 2. North Meadows Discussion Mr. Woodward noted that he has received yet another plan on North Meadows. Planner A.rkell noted that the project would probably be withdrawn and resubmitted. Discussion followed. There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 11:20 a.m. Development Review Committee Minutes-April 15,1997 3