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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-08-1997 DRC Minutes DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE TUESDAY,APRIL 8, 1997 Members Present: Larry Woodward,Neil Poulsen,Phill Forbes, Dave Skelton, Chuck Winn, and Craig Brawner Staff Present: Chris Saunders, Karen Finke,Pat Estey, James Nickelson, Rick Hixson, Carol Schott Visitors Present: Chuck Hinesley,Dave Crawford,Joan Rudberg, Chaucer Silverson,Richard Knell Chairperson Dave Skelton called the meeting to order at 10:08 a.m. A. FINAL WEEK REVIEW 1. North Meadows Phase II MaSub Preliminary Plat#P-9715 -(Saunders) South of Durston Road, West of Hunter's Way A Major Subdivision Preliminary Plat Application to allow the subdivision of 7.272 acres into 3 lots for residential use and 1 lot for offices. Chairperson Skelton introduce the application. Dave Crawford and Chuck Hinesley joined DRC. Planner Chris Saunders reviewed the Planning Department's conditions. He noted that there are a couple of differences from Phase I, 1)the infrastructure is to either be constructed concurrently with Phase I or after Phase I is totally completed. W. Crawford noted that they plan to construct it concurrently. Planner Saunders continued that the second difference is that all conditions will be site specific and not include Code requirements. He noted that Phase I had been approved on Monday by the City Commission. Ms. Finke, Project Engineer,reviewed the conditions from the Engineering Department. Mr. Crawford noted that item 8.e was removed from the conditions for Phase I by the City Commission as NRCS indicated that the water course is a ditch not a stream/ditch. Planner Saunders concurred. Mr.Woodward, Water/Sewer Superintendent,reviewed the conditions from his department. He noted that his conditions are stated in more depth than usual. Mr. Crawford noted that the conditions appear to be the same as reviewed last week. Mr. Crawford asked Ms. Finke for her conclusion on the sewer capacity. She deferred the question to Planner Saunders, who noted that the City Engineer commented that conceptually it appears to work. Mr. Crawford inquired if it was safe to submit plans. Mr.Forbes noted that he'd like more substantiation that the sewer capacity in Durston Meadows is available and he needs more information on the alternate proposal for the sewer hookup and its routing. He asked Mr. Brawner to follow through on the street cuts that may be needed for the alternate proposal. Chairperson Skelton noted that a formal recommendation to the City Commission is needed. MOTION: Planner Saunders moved,Ms. Finke seconded, to recommend conditional approval Development Review Committee Minutes-April S,1997 1 to the City Commission. The motion carried 6 - 0. B. FIRST WEEK REVIEW 1. Carson Place Subdivision and Zoning PUD#P-9716 & Z-9726 - (Skelton) 1304 West Babcock Street - A Subdivision and Zoning PUD Application to allow a 19-unit townhouse PUD subdivision with one of the townhouse buildings to have six units which exceeds the maximum units per cluster of five allowed by the Code. Chairperson Skelton presented the application. He reviewed the pre-application comments from Mr. Woodward and Ms. Finke. He noted that the application is for townhouse units and is a phased development. He continued that Mr. Bockhahn has been negotiating for a full public street for South 13th to Mendenhall. He is proposing to do 'h of the street with curb and gutter on that %z. Mr. Hixson asked Planner Skelton if there is a 60'right-of-way proposed. Planner Skelton noted that since Mr. Bockhahn can only dedicate ''/z of the street and obtain an easement on the adjoining property for the other %. Mr. Woodward asked for clarification on how the location of the sewer hookups were determined. Discussion followed on that issue. Planner Skelton noted that in Phase II the full City street will be dedicated. Also, he noted that the project has been substantially improved since DRC last saw it. He continued that DRC will see this application two more weeks. C. INFORMAL REVIEWS 1. Taco John's Informal- (Skelton) An Informal Application for the replacement of the existing 23'X 48' building with a 28' X 66'building. Summary of notes for files: Chairperson Skelton reviewed the application. Richard Knell joined DRC. Mr. Knell noted the reasons for replacing the building. 1) The current building is pieced together. 2) The building is required to be replaced by the year 2000 according to the corporate office. He also noted that since he is removing his pole sign,he will need some front signage. Planner Skelton noted the deviations that will be requested. He noted that a concern would be the access onto Beall and N. 7th. Mr. Knell unfolded a plan which indicated the locations of sewer/water/gas lines. Planner Skelton asked him to comment on the traffic circulation pattern. Mr. Forbes noted that the access onto Beall Street is unsafe. He noted that the someday the street will probably be improved. He asked if the entire building could be moved further to the west. Mr. Knell noted that it would be lost behind the furniture store. Discussion followed on the current tapering of West Beall Street,the N. 7th Street median being a hindrance for turning into Taco John's, and on the suggestion that the building be flip-flopped, which would put the drive-up on the north side of the building. Mr. Knell noted that he would Development Review Committee Minutes-April 8,1997 2 look at a flip-flop of the plan to see if it would work. 2. Stabile Informal- (Strahn) 514 N. Church An Informal Application for a new garage with a dwelling unit above. Summary of notes for files: Chairperson Skelton introduced the application. Chaucer Silverson joined DRC and explained the project. He noted that the existing garage is dilapidated and should be removed. Mr. Stabile would like to construct a new garage with an apartment over it. Mr. Silverson noted that it could be shifted on the site to meet setbacks. Planner Skelton suggested moving it to the rear yard to gain yard space. Discussion ensued on the closeness of the garage to the property line and the possible fire requirements. Mr. Silverson noted that some parking is proposed in the rear of the lot near the rear of the garage. He distributed photos of the property. Mr. Woodward noted that the addition of a dwelling unit would require a new sewer line, and a fixture count in both buildings would determine if the water service line is adequate. Discussion followed on the alley width and problems with it. D. DISCUSSION ITEM I. Conditions/Code Requirements Chairperson Skelton noted that City Management and the City Attorney want conditions written that do not include Code requirements. The Code requirements could be included in the staff report, but not as conditions. 2. Boodles Mr. Woodward asked about the status of Boodles. Mr. Poulsen noted that there was a Stop Work Order issued until they get some"real"plans submitted that show everything, then he clarified the requirements. 3. FSP approvals and other plan issues Chairperson Skelton asked for suggestions for getting FSP's to DRC members. He noted that the problem is that the applicant may say he has seen a DRC member when in fact he hasn't. He asked if attaching the department conditions to the preliminary SP, then route for DRC members for approval of their conditions. Mr. Woodward noted that the architects haven't been addressing the conditions. Mr. Woodward noted another problem that has come up with the Osterman project. Mr. Springer is showing buildings over the sewer easements on the FSP. If Planner Patterson hadn't pointed it out to him, he may have missed it. Chairperson Skelton noted that the Planning Office is trying to be more subjective in reviewing new submittals for completeness and returning those that are not complete. Mr. Hixson noted Development Review Committee Minutes-April 8,1997 3 that the fire and water/sewer plans need to be pulled from the FSP as they are not approved as part of the FSP. They have to be approved by a certified engineer. Mr. Forbes noted that Costco officials want to meet with appropriate City Staff about pre- permitting allowable activities. Mr. Poulsen noted that until they annex, the City doesn't have any authority to issue any permits. Mr. Forbes noted that they will not be able to do concrete work or infrastructure. Mr. Poulsen noted that Bozeman Pond improvements will be started on again by the Parks Department. They plan to finish the shelter that was approved by Planning and will be connecting to water/sewer for the bathrooms. Mr. Winn moved, Mr. Hixson seconded,that the meeting be adjourned. Motion carried and the meeting was adjourned at 11:30 a.m. Development Review Committee Minutes-Apri18,1997 4