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HomeMy WebLinkAbout04-01-1997 DRC Minutes DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE TUESDAY, APRIL 1, 1997 Members Present: Larry Woodward,Neil Poulsen, Dave Skelton, Phill Forbes, Chuck Winn, Craig Brawner Staff Present: Jody Olsen, Chris Saunders, Karen Finke, James Nickelson, Pat Estey, Carol Schott Visitors Present: Joan Rudberg, Todd Smith, Chuck Hinesley, Clair Dairies Chairperson Dave Skelton called the meeting to order at 10:07 a.m. He noted that there were two items on the agenda. A. FINAL WEEK REVIEW 1. Hound City Cafe MiSP/COA/Dev#Z-9723 - (Olsen) 719 W. Mendenhall - A Minor Site Plan and a Certificate of Appropriateness with Deviations to allow the conversion of a residential use to a restaurant use. Chairperson Skelton introduced the application. Todd Smith joined DRC. Planner Jody Olsen reviewed Planning's and Street/Sanitation's conditions (All conditions are on file in the Planning Office). Project Engineer Karen Finke reviewed Engineering's conditions. The other departments had no conditions. Mr. Smith had no questions. MOTION: Fire Marshall Chuck Winn moved, Ms. Finke seconded,that the application be conditionally approved according to staff conditions. The motion carried 5 - 0. B. SECOND WEEK REVIEWS 1. North Meadows Phase II MaSub Preliminary Plat#P-9715 - (Saunders) South of Durston Road, West of Hunter's Way A Major Subdivision Preliminary Plat Application to allow the subdivision of 7.272 acres into 3 lots for residential use and 1 lot for offices. Chairperson Skelton introduced the application. Dave Crawford and Chuck Hinesley joined DRC. Planner Chris Saunders noted that the City Commission is deciding Phase I next Monday. He clarified for Water/Sewer Superintendent Larry Woodward that the lot changes from Phase II for Phase I were changes between two lots. Discussion ensued on water lines and stubs. Mr. Crawford explained the proposed water mains. Mr. Woodward noted that the City doesn't want meter pits unless they are the only alternative available. In response to Mr. Woodward, Mr. Crawford noted that there would be one meter pit installed per lot. Mr. Woodward noted that the City wants 6" water mains in an easement, for maintenance purposes. Mr. Crawford responded that the developer doesn't know where the buildings will be,therefore, it is difficult to plan where the water service lines will be located. Mr. Crawford continued that there is a fire hydrant to serve every 500'of space. Mr.Winn noted Development Review Committee Minutes-April 1,1997 1 that without building envelopes,it is difficult to judge if there are enough fire hydrants as certain uses require more hydrants. 1&. Crawford suggested that Nft.Winn and Mr. Hinesley meet to discuss the latest and greatest site plan. Discussion continued on the water mains. Mr. Woodward noted that almost everything on the new plan sent with this week's agenda conflicts with City standards. He continued that the 1 Y4" and 3" water lines are not adequate and the 4" sewer main doesn't meet standards. Clair Daines joined DRC. Discussion continued on water/sewer, water meter size, and how the meter sizes trigger higher impact fees. Also,discussed was the cost of maintenance of 4" meter/mains in relation to the cost of a 6" or 8"main extension. Mr.Woodward noted that he is in total disagreement with the 4" water meter pits,they are too confining and too costly to maintain. Mr. Daines asked if the advantage of installing pits to the developer is equivalent to the cost of the main extension. City Engineer Craig Brawner joined DRC. W. Crawford asked if there is an off set fee for the extra cost of the larger mains. Mr. Daines asked if the primary problem was water accumulating in the pits. Mr. Woodward noted that was correct as every time they want to work on a pit, they have to pump out the water in the pit after shoveling the snow from the cover. Mr. Brawner noted that his department would prefer to install either 6" or 8" water mains. Mr. Daines noted that if the City is not allowing meter pits,then there needs to be a policy to that effect. W. Woodward noted that pits are allowed,but only when there are no other options. Mr. Hinesley asked if the main extension had to be done now or could it be done later. Consensus was that later would be appropriate, with the site plan work. Discussion followed on looping the water systems and easements for them on the subdivision or site plan submittals, elimination of the meter pits, and installing standard size water/sewer mains. 1&.Daines asked if a 4" meter could be installed into one of the 6-plexes and services to the other five 6-plexes run from it. Mr. Brawner noted that would not be the best as part of the water main would be under a building. Chairperson Skelton asked what the questions are. Planner Saunders noted the questions are 1) an alternate construction for the sewer line, 2)street cuts requested, and 3)is there a need for an easement rather than a right-of-way for a street on the east side. Discussion followed of the proposed street feasibility for the City. City Staff noted that it is possible to have a north-south street on the east side of the property. Discussion followed on the placement of the street-with single or double loaded lots along the street. Mr. Daines noted that he wouldn't have brought this application before the City if he had known that the adjoining property to the north would be required to install a street. Mr. Hinesley reviewed the pre-application done last fall, and noted that the street issue didn't come up then. He continued that one person in the neighborhood should not have the ability to require a street connecting to Durston Road. Planner Saunders noted the setbacks required for the new street. Mr.Hinesley noted that he's lost about 4 buildings with the proposed street. Development Review Committee Minutes-April 1,1997 2 Planner Saunders asked for a yes or a no on the street. Chairperson Skelton noted that if a north- south street is required, then it has to be a public street and the DRC must justify the need for a street there. Mr. Brawner noted that the narrow properties out there have created the problem for themselves. The consensus was that the street was not necessary in that location. Mr. Woodward asked Mr. Crawford if he had looked at where the flow crests were. Mr. Crawford noted the location of the crests and noted that the northeast corner wouldn't have access to the sewer main without a lift station. Discussion followed on problems with Durston Road. Mr. Brawner noted that if the two adjacent retention ponds for North Meadows and Greenway are connected, some sort of homeowners' association agreement would be required. An easement across the Greenway retention pond will also be required for placement of the sewer line as proposed by the applicant. He also noted a need for the site plan to show that the sewer isn't extended to the northeast property line. He continued noting that the sewer stub would be located farther to the northwest to service that comer. Planner Saunders asked about the street cut for North 25th Avenue for the sewer mains. He requested a recommendation from this Committee for City Commission. Discussion followed on the paving that will be required for the street cut repair. Discussion ensued on the capacity of the sewer main that serves Durston Meadows. Mr. Brawner noted that he questions whether the Durston Meadows main has adequate capacity for the Western Drive area when it and the surrounding areas are annexed. Mr. Woodward noted that the issue of one sewer and one water to each lot hasn't been resolved. He continued that if there are going to be several buildings,then 6" water and 8" sewer mains should be installed with service lines radiating from them. Chairperson Skelton noted that Bridger Creek Subdivision had installed stubs for townhouses and then wanted to build larger units and didn't have the services for them. Mr. Crawford noted the opportunities for sewer services for lots 1-4 and a stub for lot 5. He continued that they could dig for future stubs later, if that would suit the City better. Mr. Woodward noted that now is the time to install them. Mr. Brawner noted that the main stubs for water will be 6" and for the sewer 8". Mr. Crawford noted there is a discrepancy between what the Subdivision Regulations require and what the Fire Marshall requires for a turn around. Mr. Brawner noted that the resolution for an SID is lacking the cost, the district boundary, and the property owners to be served. Mr. Brawner asked if the infrastructure problems between Phases I and II have been resolved. Planner Saunders noted that they have. Mr. Brawner noted that all easements are to be platted. Chairperson Skelton asked that any off-site easements need to be filed after being approved by City commission. Mr. Brawner concurred. Chairperson Skelton noted that written comments and a recommendation to Planning Board and City Commission are needed next week. Planner Saunders noted that the piping of the ditch may have some additional problems. He has Development Review Committee Minutes-April 1,1997 3 written to NRCS for clarification. MOTION: Chief Building Official Neil Poulsen moved, Planner Saunders seconded,that the meeting be adjourned. The motion carried unanimously. The meeting was adjourned at 11:30 a.m. Development Review Committee Minutes-April 1,1997 4