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HomeMy WebLinkAbout06-13-1995 DRB Minutes DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MINUTES - June 13, 1995 Members Present: Cliff Chisholm Ellen Kreighbaum Maire O 'Neill Mara-Gai Katz Staff Present: Georgiann Youngstrom Debbie Arkell Lanette Windemaker Visitors Present: Camille Kostetecky Kerry Lee Olson Terry Threlkeld Larry Hauser Todd Wilkensen Laura M. Danhof Consent Agenda 1. Hauser MiSP Z-9563 MOTION - Ellen Kreighbaum moved, Maire O'Neill second, to accept the proposal . The motion carried by a unanimous vote of the members present . Planner Arkell pointed out that the staff reports sent to each applicant had any conditions that needed to be met and if the applicant wanted to discuss those conditions with the board to do so now. No discussion followed. 2 . The Root COA MOTION - Ellen Kreighbaum moved, Maire O'Neill second, to accept the proposal . The motion carried by a unanimous vote of the members present. Planner Arkell pointed out that the staff reports sent to each applicant had any conditions that needed to be met and if the wanted to discuss those conditions with the board to do so now. No discussion followed. 3 . Pickle Barrel COA MOTION - Ellen Kreighbaum moved, Maire O'Neill second, to accept the proposal . The motion carried by a unanimous vote of the members present . Planner Arkell pointed out that the staff reports sent to each applicant had any conditions that needed to be met and if the wanted to discuss those conditions with the board to do so now. No discussion followed. Project Reviews 1 . Decorative Arts COA Planner Morris was unable to attend and Planner Windemaker took his place. Planner Windemaker reviewed that the applicant, Beth Livingston, was unable to attend but had sent a letter voicing her concerns to one of the conditions in the staff report . Planner Windemaker read the letter to the board. Beth Livingston objects to changing the color of the awning from salmon (which name she felt did not adequately reflect the color chosen) to forest green or carmine red. The salmon color chosen blends well with the awning style, the store front, and the attempt she is making to make her store unique from others on Main. Cliff Chisholm asked if that is the only condition. Planner Windemaker said that is the only one she is objecting to. Marie O'Neill asked what other colors are being used such as for the lettering. Planner Windemaker said she doesn ' t know. Marie O'Neill stated that then dealing only with the color of the awning. Planner Windemaker had pictures of the building front for the board to look at. Cliff Chisholm questioned if there is an issue of the sign scheme being consistent for all businesses that occupy one building as in the Madison House and Luggage Store. Planner Windemaker said Planner Morris hadn ' t considered that to be a problem. Maiie O 'Neill commented that the preservation officer ' s letter had said an awning for all the stores in the building would add to the symmetry of the building, whereas one store only would break that symmetry. Cliff Chisholm wondered if they should consider a uniform sign scheme. Ellen Kreighbaum said she thought the color chosen was o.k. although it did already look dusty and dirty. Cliff Chisholm moved, Ellen Kreighbaum seconded, to approve the application striking the first condition of the staff (changing the color of the awning) and maintaining the second and third conditions . The motion carried by a unanimous voice vote of the members present. 2 . Wilkensen COA Planner Windemaker, taking the place of Planner Morris, reviewed the application for a 12 x 20 foot garage on South 3rd and the recommendation by staff for approval . She indicated that one letter in support for the approval had been received. Ellen Kreighbaum said it fits in with the neighborhood. Cliff Chisholm asked if the existing slab was 20 ' x 121 . Todd Wilkensen confirmed it was . Cliff Chisholm commented that the 20 ' length was snug and that he was open to making it 1-2 feet longer. The builder thanked them for being open to that . Ellen Kreighbaum asked if the application would have to be changed if they went to 221 . Planner Windemaker stated the garage would have to go toward the house to still meet the set back. Cliff Chisholm said they could frame an approval saying that they could go that much farther and then leave it up to them to do it. Cliff Chisholm moved to approve the project as proposed allowing the garage to go up to 22 ' x 12 ' as long as the set backs are maintained as seen in the site plan. The contractor asked if it could be 23 ' instead of 221 . Cliff Chisholm agreed that was reasonable. Cliff Chisholm rephrased the motion to approve the project as proposed allowing the garage to go up to 23 ' x 12 ' as long as the set backs are maintained as seen in the site plan. Ellen Kreighbaum seconded. The rephrased motion carried on a unanimous voice vote. 3 . Danhof PUD Planner Windemaker reviewed that this was seen as concept about three weeks ago. She reviewed the request which is located in the block behind Holiday Gas and Dairy Queen, and the concept suggestions . Planner Windemaker voiced concerns that the curved window on the proposal was incongruous with style and that the peaked windows shown in the concept would be better; also that there were no windows in the garage doors and the double garage door in the middle might look better with two single doors . Maire O 'Neill commented that the drawing of the doors was blank and a better feeling of the effect would be if they had been "panalized" . She also clarified that her comment during the concept dealing with the lodge look of the building was positive. Maire O'Neill then stated that there was a lot of mullions on the windows . Laura Danhof stated she would rather not use windows in the garage doors because of placement of the doors in the alley and would prefer to more privacy. Laura Danhof also stated that there are raised panels on the doors . She then showed the board revised elevations done using comments in the staff report. Ellen Kreighbaum asked if one of the changes was a false partition on the double door garage. Laura Danhof confirmed it was . Cliff Chisholm asked how wide the door was . Laura Danhof said it was a 18 foot opening, standard garage door opening. Cliff Chisholm asked about the shape of the window. Laura Danhof said she had help from an architect and that the window is recessed back and repeated on the front and the back. She said the trapezoid window used earlier didn ' t fit in style on the front of the house and felt better about this change. She pointed out that the entry ways were also changed to better define them. Maire O'Neill said she liked the protected entries and the arch windows . Cliff Chisholm said he could support this combination with less expensive square window on the back and the more expensive curved window on the front. Laura Danhof said that the front window would not have to have window coverings , but the back would with the master bedroom there. Cliff Chisholm questioned the 18 foot garage doors and how long they would be functional, but given they were on the alley he could understand wanting the larger space to access . Laura Danhof said she is thinking of using metal rather than wood. Maire O'Neill said she liked the look of two single doors in the middle. Ellen Kreighbaum said she liked it either way. Cliff Chisholm moved, Ellen Kreighbaum seconded, to accept the application and to eliminate condition #1 of the staff because window options presented in revised elevations will be acceptable and strike #2 that panalized garage doors and recessed panels be used and that #3 remain as an option of the owner to use. The motion carried with a unanimous voice vote. Planner Windemaker reminded the board that this is a recommendation and will go on for public hearings before the Planning Board and City Commission. Informal Review 1. George Mattson Planner Windemaker presented the proposed detached garage with a second story for a second dwelling unit in the place of Planner Skelton. She reviewed that the proposal is zoned R-3A and therefore probably the staff will not be able to support the deviation of lot size that two dwelling units would require. She stated that the north and west elevations needed to be presented of the proposal so the location of any windows could be noted. A window on the north side probably would not be allowed by building codes as the house was on the edge of property line. Maire O'Neill commented on the pleasant scale and relationship to the existing house. Cliff Chisholm stated that there is a code problem as a secondary building is not allowed to be taller than the primary building on the property and that the board had held people to that in the past. He said it is nicely styled addition that in the crowded neighborhood it would overwhelm the area. He also stated that stylistic there is no problem but the deviations would be a problem. Planner Windemaker said if it was just a single story garage there would probably not be a big problem with the set back deviation. Cliff Chisholm commented that the 23 ' 8" height is not close to the height limitations in an R-3A zoning but there is such a small house next to it. Ellen Kreighbaum said it was too tall for the lot and the scale of the existing building, but in and by itself she likes the plans . Cliff Chisholm reaffirmed that the staff will have a problem with the lot size. Planner Windemaker said the project with deviation will have a DRB recommendation and then go on to public hearings before the Planning Board and City Commission. Cliff Chisholm again said it was nicely done but not scale. He wondered if there were other alternatives . Mara-Gai Katz suggested more of a dormer roof and said there are other ways of articulating the roof . Cliff Chisholm said it was not their job to find an alternative for them but if there is a way, it might be done. Ellen Kreighbaum questioned the regulation on square footage in that zone. Planner Windemaker stated a dwelling unit has to be at least 600 square feet and that the proposed dwelling unit met that standard. Ellen Kreighbaum suggested the a garage opening might be split and part of the apartment be placed between the openings and the bedrooms put up above in a loft arrangement . Marie O'Neill suggested the double garage be changed to single and part of the apartment be used in the space. Mara-Gai Katz wondered about shortening the walls in a dormer style. Cliff Chisholm said there must be ceiling clearance to the wall as the floor plans indicates and the full plan of the building is indicated there. Mara-Gai Katz said a change putting the storage on the outside would add some room. Maire O'Neill commented that the proposed changes will put the access on Story rather than the alley. Planner Windemaker said existing tree would have to be taken out to get the two parking places in front the of garage if an alley access was used. Cliff Chisholm said he has seen driveways into garages flanking alleys . Maire O 'Neill pointed out the neighbor to the proposed addition does the same thing on West Story.