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HomeMy WebLinkAbout07-11-1995 DRC DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MINUTES - JULY 11, 1995 Members Present: Dave Skelton, Chairman/Planner Chuck Winn, Fire Marshall Phill Forbes, Public Service Kurt Albrecht, Building John Paysek, Engineering Rick Hixson, Engineering Staff Present: Georgiann Youngstrom Lanette Windemaker Dave Skelton Debbie Arkell Patrick Morris Visitors Present: Van Bryan Rob Gilbert Nick Salmon A. Second Week Review 1. Lockwood Building MiSP/COA Z-9584 Planner Windemaker reviewed this minor site plan and certificate of appropriateness application for an office and apartment combination located at Bozeman and Beall . She stated that comments last week concerned the existing water service line under the proposed building and where it is in relation to the easement. She noted that the site plan does not reflect the boulevard on the Bozeman side. Kurt Albrecht stated that the south and west walls must have a one hour rated wall for building code. He noted that the correct separation rating between the two uses will be needed. Chuck Winn asked if the outside stairs were wooden or another material . Van Bryan said no decision had been made on that yet. Dave Skelton asked if there were any comments from engineering. Van Bryan verified the adjacent owner had been contacted about the placement of the sewer line in the easement. He reported that the easement was 20, and that the line is 5' off the interior side. He didn' t think there was a water line. Planner Windemaker reviewed Fred Shields comments on the placement of the water line. Dave Skelton stated that Fred Shields had indicated that the water service line was going to catch a corner of the garage. Van Bryan asked if the lines would have to be relocated. Dave Skelton said yes . He then asked about the easement for the property west of this property. Phill Forbes stated he had searched for the easement papers in question and that his search had ended in the city attorney' s office with no documentation being found. Van Bryan stated that the real estate agent had some documentation. Planner Windemaker stated that the proposed project will go to Design Review Board today. 2 . Happy Hours CUP Z-9569 Dave Skelton reported from Planner Arkell that this proposed project has been withdrawn due to the parking requirements . He stated that the applicant will modify the proposal in some way to lessen the number of children. Kurt Albrecht stated that there are serious building code problems with the exit planned through the kitchen, which is not allowed in the code. (After review of these minutes, the file should note that the applicant withdrew the application for a C.U.P. and did not indicate plans would be modified for this site. D. Arkell) 3 . American Bank Ma5P Z-9568 Planner Skelton asked Rob Gilbert to attend the meeting this week and stated he had met with him last week. At that time the proposal included 5-6 situations that would require variances and/or deviances . He stated that Rob Gilbert had modified the site plan and parking on West Babcock Street. Planner Skelton said there would need to be some modification with location of the egress/ingress on West Main, also at the East end of parking lot structure and take it back a minimum of 8' to eliminate one egress/ingress so there would not be so much driving on the back side of the parking. Rob Gilbert stated he had meet with representatives of Beaver Pond Plaza and they are looking at a joint curb cut on that side which would eliminate the cut on the Red Barn side. He stated that he had an updated site plan with him and had made most of the modifications mentioned by Planner Skelton. Roger Sicz asked if the curbs and sidewalks were being required. John Paysek had talked to Phill Forbes about the plan and as the plans have no grades on them, engineering is not going to require the curbs, gutters , and sidewalks yet. Planner Skelton stated that with the development on South llth those had not been required. Roger Sicz stated that if and when the design is done, he favors the curbs, gutters, and sidewalks being required to be put in. Planner Skelton asked if it was the Pines project in which curbs , gutters, and sidewalks were required. Phill Forbes corrected him and said it was Montana Travel . Kurt Albrecht asked if the property line going through the parking building had been addressed. Planner Skelton said no but, as had been done with Big R, a deed restriction would be required. He explained that a deed restriction would require that one lot would not be sold without the other lot. He stated that in the past aggregate lots had been required but the city attorney found this deed restriction more favorable. Planner Skelton stated that Fred Shields had asked for the location of sewer and water service into the office building. Rob Gilbert said that the mains for water and sewer are shown on the site plan. He then questioned if Fred Shields was asking for the entry into the new building. Planner Skelton confirmed that was the question. Planner Skelton asked if the covered parking would have a floor drain to handle the snow melting or the rain. Rob Gilbert stated that the drainage would be done with sloping. He noted that C&H Engineering will do the drainage plan as soon as he gets the modified plan to them. Kurt Albrecht asked what the construction of the open air parking will be. Rob Gilbert stated it would be protective steel . Planner Skelton stated that the typical three week review process will need to be modified to accommodate the site plan changes . He said there would need to be a schedule change to get it before the Planning Board. He stated he will check with Andy Epple on the appropriate procedure. Rob Gilbert brought the modified site plan forward for committee members to view. He noted that the position of the dumpster had been moved as well as a setback from the road. Chuck Winn and Planner Skelton questioned if the east end of the parking structure was now blocked. Rob Gilbert confirmed that there would be no exit from that location. Chuck Winn asked him if that end was bermed up . Rob Gilbert stated he hadn' t thought of that. B. Initial Week Review 1. Food Coop MiSP Z-9585 Planner Morris reviewed the minor site plan application to allow the removal of exiting buildings from 911 W. Babcock, regrading and paving of the parking area, and landscaping/lighting site improvements . He stated the parking lot would be expanded; one building will be moved or removed which is historical; that a commercial curb cut will be needed on West Babcock; and that the re- zoning has already been done. Dave Skelton asked about the storm run-off . Planner Morris stated that the plan shows a retention pond on the north east corner of the existing parking lot and snow removal from West Babcock. Nick Salman noted that the natural grade is south to north on the site. Planner Morris stated that the applicants are looking at the trash area as snow retention, also. Nick Salmon stated that it will be up to engineering. Dave Skelton noted that screening will be needed for the residential area. Nick Salmon stated that a fence is being proposed. Nick Salmon asked if there is a standard for the water and sewer disconnection from the residence that will be removed. Phill Forbes stated that he would need to talk to Fred Shields about this . Nick Salmon stated that they will be asking for one deviation, the side set back south of the building, as they have a building already built into the side yard set back at 8 ' and that a pedestrian door and load dock door is that vicinity. He stated they are looking for a location for the bailer that makes most sense. Planner Morris asked if they were proposing to screen with a fence. Nick Salman stated yes on three sides , but need to gain access to the fourth side. Phill Forbes asked how do you redefine a curb cut. Nick Salmon stated that they will redo part of an existing sidewalk that is deteriorated and repave over part of that damaged area to increase the cut . 2 . Countryside PUD MaSUB P-9530 Planner Skelton reviewed this Major Subdivision Planned Unit Development Preliminary Plat that would allow a multi-family development with reduced street standards on approximately 7 acres . He stated that it is the Kim and Lonny Walker development east of Pond' Edge development, just north of the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife, and Park' s Fishing Ponds . He noted that it has reduced street standards and sidewalks with parking on one side or other of the street . The multifamily development will be townhouses and single family, and duplex structures . Planner Skelton noted that the Balian development of Pond' s Edged is going to City Commission. He stated that he had pointed out to the Planning Board that the extension of Ravalli would be a street standard that is less than the typical city street. Roger Sicz asked why they were accepting it. Planner Skelton stated that the through streets should be some type of City Standard within a public right-or-way but they were looking at the standards not being the same with private streets . Planner Skelton stated that the Bozeman Recreation Advisory Board did not want the cash in feu of park land, but would prefer the park land. He noted this park land would help the sewer and water department with maintaining 250' maximum. However, he noted the Recreation Board had asked for 251 . Planner Skelton noted for Rick Hixson that at Planning Board he had pointed out that looping is not a rule of thumb but is a standard policy from engineering and superintendent of sewer and water. Planner Skelton commented that he will take a close look at the profile of curb, gutter and right-of-way. He said they are planning 24, for two way traffic with 8' parking on one side, 3 ' boulevards and 5 ' sidewalks . He also noted that Ravalli would need to be extended north to West Babcock, At Planning Board Planner Skelton did make it clear that this change in street standards is specific to this area only. He also related to the that Board that the Development Review Committee as an advisory body recommends improvements to West Babcock before any other development is done in this area. Planner Skelton asked that John Paysek in his memo spend time on reviewing any dead end loops and to also contact him if there are any. John Paysek commented that the utilities are under the curb and gutter and that is not acceptable. Planner Skelton questioned how close the creek was paralleling the project. He wondered if it was too close to the back doors of the proposed homes . Phill Forbes asked if it is a creek or a farmers ditch. Planner Skelton said it was a ditch. John Paysek asked if the Balian project and this one are going to line up as this one looks skewered. Planner Skelton also pointed out that Rick Kerin is protesting the valley gutter requirements at the Planning Board and City Commission. He asked if that was required to avoid the same problem that there is at Pond' s Edge. Roger Sicz and Phill Forbes confirmed it was .