HomeMy WebLinkAbout05-24-05 Minutes, Study CommissionCity of Bozeman, Montana
Study Commission
Minutes
May 24, 2005
The Study Commission met in regular session in the Commission Room,
Municipal Building, at 7:00 p.m. on Tuesday, May 24, 2005. Present were Chair Loren
Olsen, Bill Hayward and Brian Close. Also present was Secretary of the Study
Commission, Celeste Janssen and John Trull. Marilou Turrentine was absent.
The meeting was called to order at 7:09 pm by Chair Loren Olsen.
Minutes
March 15th minutes from Bill Wise were given to Study Commissioners today. Chair
Olsen deferred approving the minutes until the next meeting.
May 10th minutes were deferred until the upcoming meeting.
Brian Close noted that we discussed salary of commissioners and mayor during the May
10th meeting. Mr. Close stated that he does not believe that salary should be put in the
charter. He has researched Bozeman Commissioners' salaries in comparison to other
municipalities around Montana, and found that Bozeman Commissioners are paid higher
than similar positions elsewhere; some cities offer no salary, such as Belgrade.
Administer Oath of Office to new Study Commissioner Marilou Turrentine
Clerk of the Commission Robin Sullivan administered the oath of office to new Study
Commissioner John Trull, who was appointed by the City Commission to replace Bill
Wise.
Public comment
At Chair Olsen's request, the members of the audience introduced themselves. Present
were: Harold Fryslie, Robin Sullivan, John Trull Sr., June Trull, Sean Becker, and Tracy
Oulman.
Citizens Jury Discussion presentation by Tracy Oulman
Tracy Oulman presented on a "Citizen Jury Discussion," which has not yet been used for
the City of Bozeman. She is proposing the concept of having a group of people test an
idea. She noted that other city staff departments might be interested in the future. She
offered to help the Study Commission in the trial run, and from this she could access the
usefulness of the technique for the future.
Details of the Citizen Jury Discussion: The Citizen Jury Discussion is a great way to get
a cross-section of the community without much time or cost. The process could also be
called a citizen panel, focus group, etc. To design the Citizen Jury Discussion, there are
a lot of options (see shaded gray box of Tracy's document, which is attached in public
records). Ms. Oulman envisions an assembled forum of twelve to twenty randomly
chosen citizens. The Finance Dept. can generate a random list. This process would
weed out special interest groups, help quieter people speak out, and be a great place for
the Study Commission to bounce ideas off Bozeman citizens. An alternative could be to
identify groups, and have groups send a representative. Ms. Oulman noted that the
Chamber of Commerce has a substantial list that may be used for this purpose.
To complete the discussion, there must be a direct, clear agenda and timeframe. Ms.
Oulman stressed the importance of utilizing staff before the discussion to provide
unbiased and informative information to the citizens before the discussion.
Limitations for the process include the administrative needs and the attendance of the
citizens. Ms. Oulman could assist with attendance by helping the Study Commission
collect RSVPs. She proposed giving citizens two or three dates to choose between. As
for administration of the process, the Study Commission must identify how to bring the
people to the discussion, what format to use, what info to provide, the clear issues of the
meeting, and any further logistical info. There should be evaluation forms (Ms. Oulman
has templates). Tracy Oulman offered to work with Celeste Janssen, the Study
Commission secretary, in keeping an excel data base of outcome results.
Ms. Oulman asked the Study Commissioners if they would be interested. Loren Olsen
responded that it might be fun to try, but noted that the Study Commission might have to
send out a huge number of invitations to get adequate response. Mr. Olsen also
questioned if it would be better to focus on general or specific issues.
Brian Close responded by stating that he believes that three or four issues would work
well, and noted the key to success would be a good facilitator. He wondered if the
Community Mediation Center (CIVIC) would be willing to loan someone to facilitate the
meeting. Mr. Close also stated that this board has the authority to set up sub-
committees made of members and non-members. He wondered if the design could be
set up so as to focus on the invited citizens, not special interest groups. Ms. Oulman
suggested nametags. She also noted that the City maintains a contract with the CIVIC.
Bill Hayward responded by stated that he is hearing that this process might be a plus,
and would we like to benefit from it. He believes that this process is a great opportunity
for the Study Commission to get input.
John Trull responded by stating that he thinks the Study Commission should pursue the
process, and is willing to work on it with Ms. Oulman. He asked about the cost of
implementing the process. Tracy Oulman responded that the only costs would be a
facilitator (possibly) and postage.
Bill Hayward asked Ms. Oulman to clarify her part in the process. She is willing to
generate a list of people randomly. She is willing to work with a few Study
Commissioners to draft a letter. The Study Commission needs to pay postage. She is
willing to do a follow up administrative work.
Bill Hayward asked what the citizens would be asked to do. Would there be one issue,
or several? Would there be set issues, or would the group be open to other issues on
occasion? The Study Commission noted the difficulty of reaching people during the
summer. Tracy Oulman, Bill Hayward, and John Trull will form a sub -committee to
propose a format, work on the prep work, and coordinate with the facilitator.
Discussion on the timeline
Chair Olsen noted that he received an email from Marilou Turrentine stating that she
wanted to go on record as being strongly opposed to the November 2005 timeframe.
Brian Close stated that because the Study Commission has two new members, and
because his work situation has changed, he is comfortable with reviewing a new timeline
in June.
Chair Olsen asked for input from all Study Commissioner. He noted the highest citizen
voter turnout will be this November, but at this point he believes that the most realistic
timeframe will be to put the charter on the ballot in June primary. Mr. Olsen noted the
Study Commission could raise interest in the charter by using some of identified charter
issues as voter issues.
Bill Hayward stated that he still believes the Study Commission will have to put the
timeline past the original November 2005 timeframe.
John Trull stated that he is in favor of moving back the timeframe as well. He believes
that November 2006 might have a better turnout than June 2006. Mr. Trull asked about
the process of voting for new commissioners, if the charter adds more seats to the City
Commission. Brian Close responded that new Commissioners would be voted on
November 2006 if the charter was voted on in June. There is a possibility to use interim
commissioners. There also could be a special election.
Loren Olsen stated the Study Commission will need a new calendar. Brian Close
suggested starting at the June primary date, counting back 75 days, etc. Mr. Close
offered to draft a new calendar. He noted that there is a legal obligation to publish the
calendar. Celeste Janssen will check with Robin Sullivan on the details.
Brian Close noted that during busy summer months, subcommittees could meet even if
the Study Commission didn't hold a meeting. He asked for all Study Commissioners to
email him dates where they know there will be scheduling conflicts.
Discussion of mayoral representation
Brian Close led the Study Commission through his document titled "Mayors Office."
Regarding board appointments: In Bozeman's current form of government, the only
boards Mr. Close is aware of the mayor having appointment powers for is planning and
zoning boards. Mr. Close noted that there is complete turnover on these boards every
two years. For all the other boards, the City Commission appoints by majority vote.
Mayoral appointments were created by state law. The City is permitted to do anything
that is not illegal with state or federal law. Mr. Close believes that charter could require
board appointments to be staggered.
In Montana, Missoula has a strong mayor, and therefore no City Manager. The Mayor is
the chief administrator, and gets paid for his job. In Bozeman, the City Manager's
relationship with the Mayor is by contract, not by state law. In the National Civic League
model, the Mayor is just like any other commissioners, and the City Manager creates the
agenda for the meetings. The Mayor's duty is to chair committees, and whatever else
the state requires.
Bill Hayward noted with our current system, the mayor could never succeed himself. Mr.
Hayward questioned if the best mayoral election system for Bozeman should have the
mayoral seat two years off and two years on. John Trull stated that because Bozeman's
mayor doesn't have much power, the two year training system might not be necessary.
Brian Close disagreed, and stated that learning the process takes time. Bill Hayward
noted that if the current system is changed, we might give up the learning process, but
with our current system, we are giving up year three and year four of a mayor's term.
Brian Close stated that even experienced politicians aren't necessarily familiar with the
political process, and that most people could not start as a mayor from day one. Mr.
Close noted that the first two years of the Mayor -elect's office are still busy. John Trull
stated that once that public elects a person, they want to see that person responsible,
and questioned our current system.
The Study Commission discussed the mayoral role in creating the agenda when there is
a controversial topic.
June Trull, a member of the audience, suggested that the Study Commission's
disagreements would be great subjects for Tracy Oulman's Citizens Jury Discussion.
Discuss ideas for Charter that will be recommended to Voters
Chair Olsen tabled this agenda item until the June 14th meeting
Divide tasks between Commission Members
Chair Olsen tabled this agenda item until the June 14th meeting
Next Op-ed
Loren Olsen offered to draft the second op-ed. The article will explain the form of
government Bozeman currently uses (the role of the City Manager, etc). He will state
that the Study Commission is interested in changing two or three issues.
Brian Close suggested tying in the citizen board. Bill Hayward suggested creating a
series for the newspaper, to increase readership. John Trull suggested having the op-ed
published right before a Study Commission meeting, to draw citizens to a meeting.
Brian Close suggested having different Study Commissioners author different op-eds.
Mr. Close and Mr. Olsen will work on the next op-ed together.
New Business
Chair Olsen noted that the Study Commission received a letter from John Abate.
Chair Olsen noted that the Study Commission received an email from Laura Larsson.
The Study Commission discussed the planning process. Chair Olsen noted that he had
someone tell him that Bozeman needs the appeals board back. Brian Close explained
that the appeals board dealt with zoning issues.
Chair Olsen noted that the Study Commission had received three voice mails
John Trull asked if these emails and voicemails warranted responses. Mr. Olsen stated
that he will forward the Larsson's email to the City Manager, and contact the three
people that called.
John Trull informed the group that Ken Weaver would be willing to do a short training for
the Study Commission. Mr. Trull will coordinate setting up the meeting with Ken
Weaver, Marilou Turrentine, and himself. He will inform the group with the time and date
of the meeting.
Confirm date of next meeting
The next meeting will be June 14, 2005 in the City Commission Room.
Adjournment - 9:42 p.m.
There being no further business at this time, it was moved by Brian Close,
seconded by Bill Hayward, that the meeting be adjourned. The motion carried
unanimously.
LOREN OLSEN, Chair
PREPARED BY:
CELESTE JANSSEN, Secretary of the Study Commission