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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION
BOZEMAN, MONTANA
March 9, 1992
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The Commission of the City of Bozeman met in regular session in the Commission Room,
&uniciPal Building, March 9, 1992, at 3:30 p.m. Present were Mayor Swanson, Commissioner
Frost, Commissioner Stiff, Commissioner Vincent, Commissioner Knapp, City Manager Wysocki,
City Attorney Luwe and Clerk of the Commission Sullivan.
The meeting was opened with the Pledge of Allegiance and a moment of silence.
Minutes - February 24 and March 2. 1992
It was moved by Commissioner Frost, seconded by Commissioner Stiff, that the minutes
of the regular meeting of February 24, 1992, be approved as amended. The motion carried by the
following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Frost, Commissioner Stiff,
Commissioner Vincent, Commissioner Knapp and Mayor Swanson; those voting No, none.
. Mayor Swanson deferred action on the minutes for the regular meeting of March 2, 1992
for a period of one week.
Decision - Reauest for $10.000 grant from CDBG Economic DeveloDment Revolvina loan Fund for
Microbusiness DeyelODment Center - for Fiscal Year 1992-1993 - Human Resource DevelODment
Council
City Manager Wysocki submitted to the Commission a memo from Capital Opportunities,
Inc., dated March 3, forwarding additional information on the Microbusiness Development Loan
Fund Program, as requested by Commissioner Knapp. He noted that attached to that memo are
some proposed revisions to the guidelines for the CDBG Economic Development Revolving Loan
Fund. He then submitted to the Commission a memo from City Attorney Luwe, dated March 9,
indicating that General Fund monies may legally be appropriated for this purpose.
. Planning Director Epple suggested that the proposed amendments to the guidelines should
be considered as a separate item, since it requires revision to the resolution through the appropriate
process.
City Manager Wysocki reminded the Commission of the March 20 deadline for Capital
Opportunities to participate in this program. He then recommended that, to meet that deadline,
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the Commission authorize the expenditure of $10,000 from the General Fund, with the provision
that those monies to repaid from the CDBG Economic Development Revolving Loan Fund prior to
the end of the fiscal year.
Mayor Swanson suggested that if the Commission concurs with the proposed
amendments, it could direct staff to proceed through the appropriate steps for revision of the
.gUidelines.
Planning Director Epple encouraged the Commissioners to consider just the concepts of
the proposed amendments at this time, allowing the staff adequate latitude to forward amendments
which meet all City staff and State Department of Commerce concerns.
In turn, the Commissioners indicated support for the proposed amendments.
It was moved by Commissioner Stiff, seconded by Commissioner Vincent, that the
Commission authorize and direct staff to proceed with the appropriate steps for revision of the
guidelines for the CDBG Economic Development Revolving Loan Fund. The motion carried by the
following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Stiff, Commissioner Vincent,
Commissioner Frost, Commissioner Knapp and Mayor Swanson; those voting No, none.
. Commissioner Frost noted that if the Commission approves the revisions to the guidelines
which have been proposed, there is still no guarantee that the CDBG Economic Development
Revolving Fund Loan Review Committee will forward a recommendation that the City transfer
$10,000 from that fund to the General Fund to cover this appropriation.
The City Manager responded that the committee is advisory; and the Commission takes
the final action.
Commissioner Knapp suggested that the Commission allow the CDBG Economic
Development Revolving Loan Fund Committee to review this request, based on its own merits, and
without direction from the Commission. She then stated that she anticipates that the committee's
recommendation will be to transfer the monies; however, she feels that the Commission should not
try to sway that decision at this time.
. Commissioner Stiff stated a willingness to expend the $10,000 from the General Fund at
this time; however, he expressed concern that the monies be returned to that fund as quickly as
possible, because there are not adequate monies in that fund to commit for this type of
expenditure.
In response to Commissioner Frost, the City Attorney reviewed his memo, noting that this
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type of expenditure is appropriate under State statutes.
It was moved by Commissioner Vincent, seconded by Commissioner Frost, that the
Commission authorize and direct the expenditure of $10,000 from the City's General Fund to
Capital Opportunities, Inc., for the Microbusiness Development Center, with the stipulation that
those monies be refunded back to the General Fund from the CDSG Economic Development
.RevolVing Loan Fund prior to the end of this fiscal year. The motion carried by the following Aye
and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Vincent, Commissioner Frost, Commissioner
Knapp, Commissioner Stiff and Mayor Swanson; those voting No, none.
Ordinance No. 1344 - zone map change - M-' to R-3A - Blocks 51 and 52. Northern Pacific
Addition (between Plum and Ida. Fridley and Peach)
The City Manager presented Ordinance No. 1344, as approved by the City Attorney,
entitled:
ORDINANCE NO. 1344
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF BOZEMAN,
MONTANA, AMENDING THE ZONING DISTRICT DESIGNATION FROM AN "M-1"
. (COMMERCIAL--LlGHT MANUFACTURING) TO "R-3A" (RESIDENTIAL, TWO-
FAMILY, MEDIUM DENSITY) ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS BLOCK 51 AND
BLOCK 52 OF THE NORTHERN PACIFIC ADDITION TO THE CITY OF BOZEMAN,
MORE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE TWO-BLOCK AREA LYING BETWEEN
PLUM AND IDA AVENUES AND BETWEEN FRIDLEY AND PEACH STREETS.
City Manager Wysocki reminded the Commission that they had conducted the public
hearing on this requested zone map change at last week's meeting, after which they voted to
approve it. He noted this ordinance enacts the zone map change and recommended that it be
provisionally adopted at this time.
It was moved by Commissioner Knapp, seconded by Commissioner Frost, that the
Commission provisionally adopt Ordinance No. 1344, amending the zoning designation from "M-1"
(Commercial--Light Manufacturing) to "R-3A" (Residential, two-family, medium-density) on Blocks
51 and 52, Northern Pacific Addition, and that it be brought back in two weeks for final adoption.
.The motion carried by the following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner
Knapp, Commissioner Frost, Commissioner Stiff, Commissioner Vincent and Mayor Swanson; those
voting No, none.
Commission Resolution No. 2854 - adopting the design obi~ctive plans
City Manager Wysocki presented Resolution No. 2854, as approved by the City Attorney,
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entitled:
COMMISSION RESOLUTION NO. 2854
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF BOZEMAN,
MONTANA, ADOPTING BY REFERENCE THE DESIGN OBJECTIVE PLANS.
The City Manager reminded the Commission that they had conducted the public hearing
.n this document, and at last week's meeting, they voted to approve those plans as amended. He
then stated that attached to this resolution is the revised design objective plans document. He
recommended that the Commission adopt this resolution at this time.
Commissioner Frost noted that an article in the Planning Magazine reveals that the City
of San Berndino has adopted this type of guidelines for the entire city.
It was moved by Commissioner Frost, seconded by Commissioner Stiff, that the
Commission adopt Resolution No. 2854, adopting by reference the design objective plans. The
motion carried by the following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Frost,
Commissioner Stiff, Commissioner Vincent, Commissioner Knapp and Mayor Swanson; those
voting No, none.
.conceDt Dlan review - "Overbrook at Westridoe" - Dan Kamp tor Gene Grat - allow construction
of 38-unit condominium PUD on 4.5 acre tract on north side of Westridge Drive (Fiaains Addition)
The City Manager noted that a memo from Associate Planner Kevin Wall, dated March 5,
along with back-up information and conceptual drawings were included in the Commissioners'
packets.
Planning Director Epple reviewed the code provisions for the concept plan review process,
noting this is the first one to be considered under the new zone code. He noted that under Section
18.54.050 of the new code, concept plan reviews are required for those planned unit developments
which include uses not otherwise allowed in the underlying zoning district. He noted that during
this review process, the various reviewing bodies are to consider the applicant's proposal and any
requirements, standards or policies that may apply; and it provides an opportunity to identify any
.major problems that may exist and solutions to those problems prior to submittal of a formal
application. The Planning Director then stated that during this review process, no actions are to
be taken, but any concerns should be expressed by the Commissioners so that the applicant can
respond to those concerns during the formal submittal process.
Associate Planner Kevin Wall presented the staff report. He stated that under this
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proposal, the applicant proposed to construct 38 residential units in 10 buildings on a 4. 5-acre tract
of land. He stated the subject parcel is generally located east of Video Lottery Consultants, north
of Westridge Drive and south of the AS-zoned property along South Third Avenue. He noted that
under this proposal, a major subdivision and vacation of an existing street right-of-way will be
necessary because this site has previously been platted as a phase of Figgins Addition. He stated
.hat a looped driveway is proposed through the subject development, in lieu of the platted cul-de-
sac street.
The Associate Planner stated that a storm drainage easement had been identifed on the
original plat; and that is now in what has been designated as the floodplain. He then stated a
portion of the site is currently swampy; and under this development, Figgins Creek would be
channeled into a stream bed rathr than allowed to sprawl and meander as it now does.
The Planner stated the subject site is adjacent to the old railroad bed; and it is anticipated
that the Gallagater Park will be extended to include that portion of the railroad right-of-way at some
time in the future. He noted that in the meantime, the developer has proposed a trail around the
eastern edge of the project, looping onto Westridge Drive.
. Planner Wall stated the Development Review Committee, the Design Review Board and
the City-County Planning Board have all reviewed this concept plan. He noted those bodies feel
this project is appropriate in this location; however, concerns about traffic were raised. He stated
that South Third Avenue issues will be addressed in the transportation plan; and it is anticipated
that the applicant will be required to provide some rather detailed traffic impact data with the
preliminary plat. He noted that the DRC also raised concerns about ensuring that the water line
for this project be tied into the 10-inch water main in Westridge Drive, thus providing a looped
water system. He also noted that meeting the 35-foot streambank setback requirement will result
in some revisions to the plan. He stated that a 310 permit must be obtained for any stream work;
and the applicant has already begun that process.
Associate Planner Wall stated that the proposed density of this project is 8.5 units per
.cre, which is in conformance with the master plan. He noted that for excellence in design, up to
20 units per acres is allowed; and the inclusion of outstanding amenities can even increase that to
27 units. He then stated that the formal application for this project will be subjected to the lengthy
list of criteria for review of planned unit developments, as contained in the zone code. He noted
that staff has suggested that substantial landscaping, including a wide variety of planting materials,
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be utilized to minimize the visual impacts of this project in a single-family residential zone.
Mr. Dan Kamp, architect representing the applicant, reviewed the proposed plan for the
development, noting that some of the buildings along the west side of the project will need to be
slightly shifted because of the storm drainage easement and the creek. He then stated that the
channeling of Figgins Creek, and the appropriate landscaping of the streambank setback and open
.space area, should help to soften the visual impact of this development for residents along
Westridge Drive. He further stated that the buildings have been situated to retain as much distance
as possible between existing single-family dwellings and these condominiums.
Mr. Kamp then showed the Commission slides of the computer-generated conceptual view
of the proposed project. He noted that they have attempted to make these structures look like
large single-family units rather than the traditional condominium project. He stated appreciation
for the concerns expressed about the amount of traffic which will be generated as a result of this
project. He then suggested that these units will attract people who work at Video Lottery
Consultants and Montana State University; and a substantial number of those people will probably
bicycle or walk to work. He noted, therefore, the traffic impacts from this project may not be
.UCh greater than from the originally anticipated single-family development.
Responding to Mayor Swanson, Mr. Kamp stated the triangular shaped property
immediately to the north of this site lies outside city limits. He then noted there seems to be no
intent to annex that parcel at this time; therefore, no urban-density residential development may
occur on it.
Commissioner Knapp noted the proposed project is a beautiful one; however, she does
have come concerns about the traffic which will be generated. She noted this is not limited to just
South Third Avenue, but includes South Willson Avenue as well.
Responding to a question from Commissioner Knapp, Mr. Kamp stated that the applicant
had scheduled a meeting with the neighbors two weeks ago; and only two neighbors attended the
meeting. He then stated that Mr. Graf does plan to have additional meetings with the
.eighbOrhOod as plans progress; and he anticipates more interest as the project reaches finalization.
Further responding to Commissioner Knapp, Mr. Kamp stated it is anticipated that most
of the people purchasing these condominium units will not be the typical families, but will be young
couples, working couples or retired couples.
Mr. Kamp then responded that he is presently working closely with the Engineering Office
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to ensure that the requirements for the 100-year floodplain are being met. He noted that until
Assistant City Engineer Craig Brawner raised concerns, he was not so aware of how much of a
factor it would become in this development.
Responding to Commissioner Knapp, the City Attorney stated that if the City follows
federal and State guidelines for development within floodplains, its liability will be minimized.
. Responding to Commissioner Vincent, Mr. Tim Dean stated it is anticipated the units will
sell in the $80,000 price range, which will make them compatible with the single-family
development of Figgins Subdivision.
Responding to Commissioner Frost, Mr. Kamp stated it is anticipated that as much water
as possible will be detained on site, before it is allowed to enter the creek downstream; however,
he suggested that there may be times when that is not possible because of the volume.
Responding to Mayor Swanson, Mr. Kamp stated the trail along the boundary of the
project will be open to the public. He then suggested that, given the layout of the project and the
fact that the landscaping proposed for the open area does not include a nicely mowed lawn, he
does not anticipate that the general public will wish to make use of the open area. He also noted
.that he does not anticipate conflicts with the agricultural uses on the property immediately to the
north.
Responding to the City Manager, Mr. Gene Graf stated he has received comments from
two of the neighbors about his project. He then stated his intent to have another neighborhood
meeting after his plans are more firm.
Planning Director Epple noted this application will be back before the Commission for more
formal consideration within the next few weeks.
ConceDt Dlsn review - PUD to allow construction of tri-Dlex in addition to existing single familv
residence on single lot - Richard Pence for Heinz Boeckmann - 412 W. Haves Street
City Manager Wysocki noted that included in the Commissioners' packets was a memo
.from Assistant Planner David Grisby, dated March 5, along with support information.
Assistant Planner Grigsby briefly reviewed the concept plan, noting the applicant wishes
to construct a tri-plex on a single lot which currently contains a single-family residence. He noted
the subject parcel is zoned R-3A and is located at the corner of South 4th Avenue and West Hayes
Street. He noted this parcel is located next door to a large residential structure, probably an
apartment house or a fraternity.
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The Assistant Planner stated this application has been reviewed by the Development
Review Committee and the Design Review Board; and they concurred that this plan is acceptable
in concept. He noted that concerns were raised about parking, drainage and detention, landscaping
and the location of the structure. He then stated that it appears that the proposed tri-plex and
parking can be accommodated on the subject site without exceeding the allowable limitations; and
.that item will be more closely computed with submittal of the formal application.
Mr. Richard Pence, applicant, stated the reason for the proposal is the lack of housing in
Bozeman, particularly close to the University. He noted the area houses a number of apartments
and sororities and fraternities; therefore, the impacts of this structure would be minimal. He noted
that the existing house is already rented as a duplex.
Mr. Pence stated the proposed tri-plex is of German architecture, which will blend well
with the existing stucture while being different. He noted the tri-plex will be constructed so it looks
like a single-family house; and the lower level will be constructed as one unit which could
accommodate four students, with two two-bedroom apartments above.
Commissioner Frost noted that the back half of this lot is already being used for parking;
.Mr. Pence responded that it is being utilized mostly by college students looking for a place to park
close to campus.
Further responding to Commissioner Frost, Mr. Pence stated he plans to continue the lilac
hedge around the corner and along the alley, leaving an opening for residents to access the covered
parking area.
Responding to Commissioner Vincent, Mr. Pence stated the rental rates have not yet been
set; however, it appears they will be around $600 per month.
Commissioner Knapp noted the need for affordable housing; however, she noted the
extreme parking problem in this area, expressing concern that this will only aggravate that problem.
She also noted that it will further impact the traffic flow on South Willson Avenue, which is already
beyond capacity. She also indicated the number of accidents which occur in that general area
.because of the heavy traffic moving to and from campus.
Mr. Pence stated that he had originally suggested nine off-street parking spaces; however,
he noted that staff suggested that seven would be adequate. He then noted that the house already
has adequate off-street parking.
Responding to Mayor Swanson, the Assistant Planner discouraged the possibility of adding
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a condition of approval which would require that the residents not park on the street because it
woul be extremely difficult to enforce.
Mayor Swanson then stated his concern about parking.
Commissioner Vincent asked if any studies have been made to determine how many cars
.from outside the area park along the streets, suggesting that implementation of a permit system
may alleviate some of the parking problems. He then asked about replacing the trees which would
be eliminated by construction of the proposed tri-plex.
Mr. Pence stated that there are two large trees currently in the back yard. He noted one
is a spruce tree which did not grow right and is, therefore, not a really nice tree. He stated the
other large tree is a nice one; and if he could move the structure further back on the lot, that tree
could be saved.
Responding to the City Manager, the Planning Director stated that the R-3A zoning in this
area was implemented under adoption of the interim zoning ordinance two years ago, at the request
of many residents in that area.
The City Manager then asked if the alley which would serve this tri-plex is hard surfaced;
.r. Pence responded it is not.
Mayor Swanson then indicated that, unless he could be assured that only off-street
parking would be utilized for this project, he would have difficulty supporting it.
The Commission thanked the Planning staff for this presentation.
Break - 4:40 to 4:48 p.m.
Mayor Swanson declared a break from 4:40 p.m. to 4:48 p.m., in accordance with
Commission policy established at their regular meeting of March 14, 1983.
Commission discussion - aarbage collection system
The City Manager noted that included in the packet was a memo from Director of Public
&ervice Forbes, dated March 6, 1992, along with a substantial amount of back-up information from
Street/Sanitation Superintendent Roger Sicz.
Superintendent Sicz reviewed the information which he had forwarded to the Commission
in the packet. He suggested that, in light of the financial trouble which the Garbage Fund is
currently experiencing, the Commission consider authorizing staff to proceed with implementing
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a fully-automated garbage collection system. He then drew the Commissioners' attention to the
90-gallon automated garbage container in the back of the room. He noted that this size container
is optimal for easy maneuvering, because its height provides for good balancing. He stated that
while the 60-gallon container is smaller, it is actually harder to maneuver because it is not so
balanced.
. Superintendent Sicz briefly highlighted some of the new programs which have been
implemented in the past few years. He stated that since the waste oil collection program was
begun in January 1991, 5,000 gallons of used oil have been collected; and the compost collection
program has been gathering 250 tons of grass clippings per year. He also noted that the City has
received the Landfill of the Year award for excellence, which he attributes to changes which have
been made in that operation.
Superintendent Roger Sicz stated that the automated system should not discourage future
recycling efforts, rather, he suggested that recycling could be increased through education and the
City implementing a recycling program.
The Superintendent then suggested that the automated system be phased in over the next
.two or three years. He stated that under this program, each person serviced by curb-side pick-up
would be issued a 90-gallon container; and for those serviced by alley pick-up, 300-gallon
containers would be strategically located so that three families could utilize each container. He
then noted that this service would also be made available to commercial uses as well as residential
uses. He indicated that under his proposal, automated collection service would be provided to the
first area of the community by October 1, 1992; and their assessments for Fiscal Year 1993 would
be based on the fee schedule he has included in the information submitted. He noted that the
remainder of the customers would still be subject to the existing fee schedule; and the assessments
would then be converted in the following years, as the automated collection service is extended
to new areas.
Superintendent Sicz stated there are currently fifteen cities in Montana which utilize the
.utomated garbage collection system; and more are converting. He noted that the automated
system is operated by one person, rather than requiring two or three persons. He further noted
that an automated truck can pick up an average of 700 houses per day, while a manual system can
service an average of 320 to 350 houses per day.
The Superintendent then stated the containers come in a number of different colors, at
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no additional cost. He suggested that different colored containers could be used for different items,
such as green for grass clippings. He noted that to utilize such a program would dramatically
decrease the costs of the composting program, as the men must currently cut open the bags of
grass clippings and dump them into the truck, possibly decreasing the current $15,000 cost to
$5,000.
. Superintendent Sicz reminded the Commission that at the beginning of Fiscal Year 1992,
the City collected garbage from 6,200 dwelling units; and that number has decreased to 5,000,
with those customers now being serviced by Waste Management. He noted that a number of new
dwelling units are being constructed within city limits; and the City is picking up only about six
percent of those new units. He then stated that the City does not do any of the garbage collection
service in Valley Unit Subdivision, where a large portion of the new development is occurring.
The Superintendent then noted that the decrease in customers is due to the
implementation of the tag system. He noted that as a result of the decrease in customers, the sale
of tags is lagging behind projections; therefore, revenues are substantially lower. He reminded the
Commission that, as a result of these decreases, the amount budgeted for expenditures was
.decreased; and there is potential that more must be trimmed before the end of the fiscal year.
Superintendent Sicz stated that if the Commission decides to become involved in a
recycling program, for an additional $1.25 per month per family, the City could provide twice-a-
month collection of recyclables. He noted that with an educational program on lire-use, reduce and
recycle, II the amount of recyclables could be increased and the amount of garbage entering the
waste stream could be decreased.
Street/Sanitation Superintendent Roger Sicz then reviewed some of the problems which
are recurring under the present system. He noted that the crews encounter overweight cans on
a constant basis, with 90-cent tags often attached to cans weighing 50 to 60 pounds. Also,
messes in alleys are an on-going problem, due largely in part to untagged garbage. He noted that
he has been receiving telephone calls from customers, asking when the City will get rid of the tags
.nd get the alleys cleaned up. He suggested that to offer an automated garbage collection system,
with recycling service, would help to address these complaints.
The Superintendent then stated that about 16 percent of the 1456 tons dumped in the
landfill this past year was from City garbage collection trucks; therefore, 84 percent of the trash
is not subjected to the volume-based rate system.
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Commissioner Knapp expressed amazement at the number of problems the City has had
with the new volume-based rate system, and the lack of resident cooperation. She then returned
to the original concept and the attendant goals, which were (1) to reduce the waste stream to the
landfill, through recycling, and (2) to make the cost more equitable throughout the city rather than
based on the number of rooms in the house. She noted that the tag system has dealt well with
.the issue of equitability; however, in meeting that goal, several other problems have developed.
She noted the loss of patrons and the impact on City staff because of their inability to clean up
untagged messes are some of those problems. She noted the automated system would get the
alleys cleaned up; however, it would not help to reduce the waste stream. She stated that for
those who have developed good recycling habits, there is no incentive to continue to do so, even
with a 60-gallon container being made available. She further noted that even if she fills a 60-gallon
can once a month, she will be paying the same amount as one who fills the can every week.
Commissioner Knapp then stated that if the City decides to make this choice, it must be
combined with a recycling program which is provided at no additional cost to the customer. She
noted that with the existing tag system, the City has not made recycling really convenient; and she
efeels that the success of any program to reduce the waste stream is tied to that.
Commissioner Vincent noted that caution must be exercised in making a change to
automated garbage collection because of the capital investment. He stated that, while he sees
advantages to the proposed system, he also sees some difficulties. He noted that while the
automated system may provide long-term benefits, in the short term there are many disadvantages.
He noted that many people will see an increase in costs under an automated collection system; and
the cost incentive to reduce the volume of waste will be eliminated.
Commissioner Vincent noted that several people have questioned whether the current
system is volume based or weight based, particularly since two bags which have been filled reach
the 30-pound weight limit even though the 30-gallon can may be only half full. He then stated
.that under the current system, he has learned to recycle everything possible; and his garbage
output has been reduced to one 3D-gallon container per month. He noted that this has resulted in
a decrease in garbage collection costs from $99.90 per year to $50.80 per year; and under the
proposed fees for the automated system, his costs would once again rise to $100.00 a year. He
stated that with the additional capacity available in the new containers and the lack of incentive
to recycle, people will tend to throw their recyclables into the garbage can instead of taking the
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time and effort to separate and prepare them for recycling.
Commissioner Vincent noted that in the past, the City crews would take everything set
out for collection. He stated that while those days may be gone, and perhaps rightly so, he feels
that the crews should be provided with a system that would allow them to pick up all of the
garbage that can be appropriately collected. He noted that this would restore customer satisfaction
eas well as employee satisfaction.
Commissioner Stiff expressed concern about the Garbage Fund, and its current financial
problems. He also registered concern about converting half of the city to automated garbage
collection at a time, instead of undertaking it as a single conversion effort. He then stated that he
is not a real strong advocate of automated garbage removal; however, he feels it is the lesser of
his concerns at this time. He also noted the City has been known for its good solid waste program
in the past; but it is not at the present time.
Commissioner Stiff then stated his support for recycling; however, he does not feel it is
a City function to start warehousing recyclables. He noted that, no matter what system is utilized,
the primary objective should be to provide the lowest price possible to the customer or the City will
ebe out of business in garbage collection.
Commissioner Frost stated that one of the main problems at this time is that the City is
being underbid by the competition, which can dump at another landfill for less than the City can
in its own landfill. He then asked if it would be possible to establish the rate that will be charged
for garbage collection within the city limits, no matter who provides the service; the City Attorney
responded he must research that question.
Commissioner Frost then stated support for Commissioner Vincent's comments, noting
two of his neighbors are retired and set out one can of garbage only once every three or four
weeks. He expressed concern about the fact that in Helena, the automated garbage cans sit out
all of the time. He then noted an automated collection system will not be without problems; and
the City will have to deal with them.
e Mayor Swanson stated his interest in ensuring that any system implemented by the City
responds to the new federal and state goals to reduce the waste stream by 25 percent over the
next four or five years. He then noted support for the automated garbage collection system;
however, he would like to see it made flexible. He suggested that such flexibility could be provided
by allowing those with alley pick-ups to have a GO-gallon container, and allowing customers to
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subscribe to weekly, bi-weekly or even monthly pick-up service. He also expressed concern about
the possibility of putting private recyclers out of business if the City decides to become involved
in providing curbside recycling services to its customers.
Street/Sanitation Superintendent Sicz responded to the various concerns raised by the
Commissioners, contending that the 90-gallon containers will not promote more garbage. He noted
.that the automated system will be more cost effective, both now and twenty years from now.
Responding to questions from Mrs. Sharon Witt, the Superintendent stated that the
current fee structure is a sliding scale, based on the assessments for a single-family residential unit.
He noted that, because of the problems which were incurred at apartment complexes, the optional
flat fee for dumpsters was implemented.
Mrs. Witt then stated that she has several written comments about the current system,
which she will distribute to the Commissioners if they so desire. She then stated that while she
likes the current system for her own single-family residence, she does not like it for the rental units
which she manages.
Mr. Dan Canton, President of the Bozeman Landlords' Association, stated the Association
.represents approximately 2500 rental units in the Bozeman area. He noted that landlords can
absorb only so many costs; and if the costs of garbage collection rise too much, they'll be passed
along to the tenants.
Director of Public Service Forbes encouraged the Commissioners to make a decision on
whether they are interested in pursuing the possible conversion to an automated collection system
as quickly as possible. He then asked what information they feel is needed in helping them to make
that decision. He noted that if this is a live proposal, staff is willing to provide whatever
information is desired; however, he noted his lack of interest in pursuing a proposal that the
Commissioners do not support.
The Commission requested that staff prepare further information on implementation of the
automated garbage system, which report will be brought back before the Commission in two
.weeks.
Recess - 5:35 D.m.
Mayor Swanson declared a recess at 5:35 p.m., to reconvene at 7:00 p.m. for the
purpose of conducting the scheduled work session and completing the routine business items.
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Reconvene - 7:00 p.m.
Mayor Swanson reconvened the meeting at 7:00 p.m., for the purpose of conducting the
scheduled work session and completing the routine business items.
Aooointment of Commissioner to serve on Engineering Consultant Selection Committee - to review
.statements of aualification for water and sewer reDair and reDlacement
City Manager Wysocki presented to the Commission a memo from Director of Public
Service Phill Forbes, dated March 6, 1992, requesting the selection of a City Commissioner to
serve on the committee to review the statements of qualification for sewer and water repair and
replacement program.
It was moved by Commissioner Frost, seconded by Commissioner Stiff, that Commissioner
Knapp be appointed to serve on the Engineering Consultant Selection Committee to review
statements of qualification for water and sewer repair and replacement. The motion carried by the
following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Frost, Commissioner Stiff,
Commissioner Vincent and Mayor Swanson; those voting No, none. Commissioner Knapp
. abstained.
Consent Items
City Manager Wysocki presented to the Commission the following Consent Items.
Reauest for modification to conditions for aooroval of CUP - James Marshall.
Sacaiawea BackDackers Hostel (405 W. Olive Street) - eliminate one of
the reauired off-street oarkina SDaces: Der DRB recommendation
Authorize City Manager to sign - aareement with Montana Hiahway Traffic
Safety Ad ministrator (safety analysis of UD
to 20 off-system
intersections within city limits)
Authorize City Manager to sign - pipeline Dermit aareement with Montana Rail
Link - 6-inch water main extension
on Front Street
between Broadway and McAdow
Reaoooint Mike Monev to TIFID Board
Authorize exoenditure of addition $1.150.90 for comoletion of desian objective
Dlans (transfer from General Fund to Planning to be included in third
auarter budaet review)
. It was moved by Commissioner Stiff, seconded by Commissioner Vincent, that the
Commission approve the Consent Items as listed, and authorize and direct the appropriate persons
to complete the necessary actions. The motion carried by the following Aye and No vote: those
voting Aye being Commissioner Stiff, Commissioner Vincent, Commissioner Knapp, Commissioner
Frost and Mayor Swanson; those voting No, none.
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Commission work session - discussion of sian code Issues
City Manager Wysocki noted that a memo from Planning Director Epple, dated March 3,
was included in the Commissioners' packets.
The Mayor briefly reviewed the manner in which this work session was to be organized,
requesting a report from the Planning Director, followed by questions and comments from those
.in attendance, then questions from the Commissioners. The Planning Director submitted his report,
expanding on each of the three issues which he had identified in his memo. For ease of reviewing
the issues and attendant comments, these minutes have been organized to include all discussion
on a particular issue under that issue, rather than in true chronological order.
Planning Director Epple prefaced his review of the issues by indicating that these are rather
broad topics which have been identified through comments from various Commission members,
members of the public, and concerns raised by staff. He stated that his memo does not provide
any suggested or proposed revisions, rather this discussion should generate some options and
direction.
The Planning Director reminded the Commission that there is a sign ordinance at this time,
.under which the City currently operates. He noted that all of those regulations will remain in place
until they are revised through the appropriate process.
1. Allowable sign area and heights (general).
The Planning Director noted that the current code allows one freestanding sign per street
frontages, with height limitations ranging from eight to twenty-eight feet, depending upon the
distance of setback from the property line. Also, the allowable area limitations range from 48 to
96 square feet, depending on those same setbacks from the property line. He stated that, because
of these height and size limitations, those signs close to the property line tend to be monument
type signs while those further back tend to be pole-mounted signs.
Planning Director Epple stated that Mr. Hinshaw, the consultant who prepared the design
objective plans, suggested that an eight-foot-high monument sign is rather massive and suggested
.hat the height limitations be reduced to five or six feet.
The Director then forwarded the question of whether the Commission wishes to make any
adjustments to the allowable areas and heights, suggesting alternatives may include lowering the
size of monument signs while increasing the allowable height of pole-mounted signs near the front
property line or the allowable increases be started closer to the property line so that the maximum
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height allowed will be reached closer to that line.
Mr. Carl Solvie, GranTree Inn, 1325 North 7th Avenue, asked for the equation for setback
of signs from the front property line, and how the increase in height and size are determined.
The Planning Director responded by indicating that the height may be increased one
e additional foot for each three feet of additional setback; and the size may be increased 1 1/2 square
feet for every additional three feet of setback. He then diagrammed this equation for those in
attendance. He also observed that this code is not as restrictive and inflexible as people tend to
portray it, particularly with the option of seeking a 20-percent deviation through design excellence.
Mr. Doug Alexander, 300 East Griffin Drive, noted that if monument signs were limited
to five or six feet in height, the outside car on a four-lane roadway would be unable to see them.
He stated, therefore, he is opposed to that proposal. He then suggested the possibility of allowing
freestanding signs which are no taller than the top of the building. He noted that in some
situations, a 20-foot-tall sign does not look out of place.
Mr. Alexander stated this ordinance seems to have been designed for a new community
with no buildings in it. He noted that its provisions do not accommodate items such as Mr. Cook's
emotel or his own service station immediately to the north. He suggested that the code should
allow the installation of an unobtrusive sign in a logical location on the existing site.
Responding to questions from Mr. Jim Stephens, Bobcat Lodge, 2307 West Main Street,
Planning Director Epple stated that signs may be attached to the building, with the square footage
to be based in the square footage of the building or the linear front footage of the lot, whichever
is less, to a maximum of 400 square feet of total signage. He then stated that roof-mounted
signage is not allowed on a flat roof and is allowed only on a pitched roof under very stringent
guidelines.
Former Mayor Bob Hawks prefaced his comments on the listed items by noting that the
atmosphere of this meeting seems conducive to discussion and attempting to resolve problems with
the current code. He then encouraged the Commission to take advantage of this tenor and attempt
.0 resolve those issues.
Dr. Hawks noted that one basic premise of the sign code was to create an envelope in
which signs could be constructed with minimum visual impact. He suggested that, in lieu of a
straight-line progression for the height and size of signs, an envelope based on the height of the
structure on that lot could be utilized. He noted that this change would meet the original intent of
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the height limitations.
Mr. Joe Sabol, 225 East Mendenhall Street, noted the lion's share of the existing non-
conforming signs are located within B-2 and B-3 zoning districts. He noted that a review of
properties within those districts revealed very few, except large stores and shopping centers, where
. there is 75 feet between the front property line and the building, which suggests that the existing
sliding scale is unrealistic.
Mr. Sabol noted that the code refers to monument signs; however, there is no definition
in the code. He suggested that this could create administrative problems in the future. He then
stated that, on the whole, he has no real disagreement with this section of the code, although the
figures could possibly use slight revision.
Mr. Tom Stenzel, Western Heritage Inn, 1200 East Main Street, asked if lighted signs will
be allowed under the new code requirements, noting the importance for motels to have signs which
are easily visible and recognizable to sleepy motorists.
The Planning Director responded that illuminated signs are allowed, under certain
requirements which are spelled out in the code. He then characterized those requirements as very
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reasonable under the new code, although they do not allow for flashing lights.
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Mr. Keith Swenson, 603 South Willson Avenue, suggested that the sliding scale for
increased sign height and size could be revised to include the current ratio close to the property
line, changing to a three-to-one ratio a certain distance from the property line, or it could be the
ratio utilized for the entire distance.
Mr. Tom Burnett, 31669 1/2 East Frontage Road, stated that the way the sign code is
written leads people to monument signs, rather than encouraging unique signs. He then noted
some of the signs that would be impacted by this code, noting the Bridger Bowl flashing light on
the Baxter as well.
Mr. Burnett then asked if the sign code is going to be enforced uniformly or on a complaint
~basis only, citing the recent day care center sign as an example.
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allowed in conjunction with design excellence; however, he noted that in reality, applicants simply
wanted to keep their existing signs. He noted that because of the subjectivity involved in that
process, people requested a more objective process.
Commissioner Frost then stated support for the idea of drawing a line from the property
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line to the top of the building, and developing an envelope for a sign that would allow it to be taller
as it is moved closer to the building. He suggested that while it might be appropriate for a sign to
appear as tall as the building, it should not visually exceed the height of the building, thus breaking
into the viewscape.
Commissioner Stiff stated support for the current eight-foot height for monument signs.
.He then suggested it may be beneficial to adjust the sliding scale for height and size, to allow the
maximums to be reached more easily, noting that such adjustments may make it possible to
accommodate requests such as Mr. Gene Cook's recent one.
Commissioner Vincent stated it is apparent there is some room for flexibility in this area,
without compromising the intent of the code. He then noted his willingness to consider a viable
alternative to the current code provisions.
Commissioner Knapp noted the signs on the south side of Helena, while not monument
signs, are not so high that they are obtrusive. She noted they were on poles, allowing the use of
reader boards at service stations, and served well to identify the various businesses.
Mayor Swanson reminded the Commissioners that Mr. Hinshaw had cautioned them that
.the changes they are proposing under the design objective plans will be slow, possibly not really
showing for up to ten years. He then suggested that many of the signs which are higher than eight
feet would be in compliance with the design objective plans; and he does not feel those signs
should have to be removed.
2. Sign amortization.
The Planning Director reminded the Commission that the sign amortization schedule in the
current zone code provides a sliding scale which requires that all non-conforming signs be replaced
between October 1, 1992 and October 1, 1998, based on the adjusted market value. He noted
that the "adjusted market value" is determined by adding the original cost of the sign plus
installation costs, less 5 percent of that total for each year it has been in existence. He stated that
formula means that any sign over twenty years old must be replaced by October 1 of this year, as
.well as any sign whose adjusted market value is less than $2,000.
The Director stated that in conversations with Mr. Rich Ungar, the consultant from SRW
who prepared this section of the code, he has suggested that the $2,000 should possibly be
lowered to $500. He noted the consultant has also suggested that, based on the provisions of the
existing sign code, 75 to 80 percent of the existing signs are non-conforming.
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The Director then suggested an alternative to the sliding scale amortization schedule would
be to establish a single amortization date, to be set for four to five years from now. He stated that,
because of the administrative nightmare that would be incurred under the sliding scale, staff has
indicated support for this option, noting that the single date would eliminate potential differences
of opinion about the value of a sign.
. Planning Director Epple then reviewed the criteria under which a Certificate of
Appropriateness may be issued for a non-conforming sign. He stated that revision of those criteria
could provide for more objective decisions on requests to retain signs, particularly since he
anticipates that several such requests will be forthcoming as the requirement for bringing signs into
compliance arrives.
The Director then forwarded the question of whether the Commission wishes to consider
any changes to the amortization schedule as it presently exists.
Ms. Betsy Taylor, Days Inn, 1321 North 7th Avenue, asked about signs which the
Commission approved several years ago but which are not in compliance with the new zone code;
the Planning Director responded they will be subject to amortization.
. Dr. Bob Hawks noted that amortization is the threatening aspect of this section of the
code. He reminded the Commission that all of the evidence from other cities which have utilized
a single date amortization reveal that it falls subject to all kinds of stalling tactics and pressures.
He then stated he is not comfortable with the present amortization schedule, suggesting it should
be based on age rather than on value. He suggested that an advisory committee could be
established to estimate the age of those signs for which the business owner cannot easily provide
an accurate date.
Mr. Joe Sabol noted that when this issue was discussed several months ago, then Mayor
Bob Hawks requested a legal opinion on the amortization issue. He then asked if the City Attorney
has prepared that opinion; City Attorney Luwe responded he is in the process of researching the
issue, noting that he has received information from the consultant who drafted the code as late as
east Friday. He indicated the response should be ready to submit to the Commission in the very
near future.
Mr. Sabol noted the existing amortization schedule is a sliding scale based on dollars; and
staff has proposed a single amortization date as another option. He then noted the amount of time
it will take to administer this section of the code, particularly when 75 to 80 percent of the existing
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signs are non-conforming under the new code. He reminded the Commission that the first
amortization date under this schedule is October 1992, which is rapidly approaching. He further
noted that many businessmen, for whatever reason, seem to have been unaware of this
requirement; and many of them could incur financial difficulty in meeting that date. He suggested
an alternative may be to place a two-year moratorium on the amortization schedule, with the
.schedule to then be re-instated as is. He noted this would put people on notice, and provide the
needed time for preparation. He further noted that in the meantime, all new signs would be
required to meet the code requirements.
Mr. Sabol then questioned the criteria for determining what a "positive contributing
element" is to allow an existing sign to remain. He stated it is important that everyone know what
those criteria are so that they can judge for themselves whether an existing sign could be allowed
to remain under the new code.
Planning Director Epple reviewed the wording in the existing code, noting that it applies
to historic elements. He then noted that the design objective plans also contain some criteria which
could possibly be incorporated into the criteria to be used in determining if an existing sign should
.be allowed to remain.
Responding to a question from Mr. Sabol, the Planning Director stated it is theoretically
possible to seek a variance for a sign, based on the criteria for variances.
Mr. Sabol responded he does not believe that any existing sign would meet the criteria for
a variance.
Mr. Keith Swenson cautioned against rolling back the amortization schedule, encouraging
the Commission to retain the schedule as it is, except for possibly lowering the value of signs to
be amortized in the first year to $500. He also suggested a possibility would be to require that all
signs currently without permits be subject to replacement by October 1, 1992, with the actual
amortization schedule in the code then being moved back to start on October 1, 1993. He also
stated his opposition to the creation of a single amortization date, noting the many problems that
.urround such an approach.
Mr. Swenson suggested the creation of a steering committee, comprised of business
people and possibly someone from a sign committee, to work with staff in accomplishing the
valuation process.
Commissioner Frost noted that in Missoula, he recently asked business owners about the
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sign ordinance; and three out of four business owners didn't even know there was a sign
ordinance. He then stated that he could support setting back the amortization schedule by one
year, with the illegal non-conforming signs being subject to replacement by October 1992. He then
stated that if there is going to be heat over this amortization schedule, this Commission should take
it rather than passing it on to a future Commission.
. Commissioner Frost then addressed the issue of adjusted market value, noting support for
Dr. Hawks' suggestion that age be used rather than value. He also addressed the issue of
establishing criteria for evaluating whether an existing sign is a positive contributing element to the
community. He noted that in the information from the "Your Town" workshop, there were some
design criteria that could easily be incorporated into this ordinance, along with the criteria in the
design objective plans, for excepting signs from the requirements of the code due to design
excellence.
Commissioner Stiff expressed concern about the amortization schedule, noting it seems
to be actually based on a kind of "aborted book value," rather than an adjusted market value. He
noted that the schedule hits the small business hardest, because they are typically the ones with
.the smallest and least costly signs. He then characterized this as being "reverse Robin Hood"
because it tends to take from the small, struggling businesses first instead of the rich. He then
stated the business community deserves more sensitivity on this matter.
Commissioner Vincent stated that Bellevue, Washington, has had a very strict sign code
in place for several years; and a conversation with the gentleman who is responsible for enforcing
that code revealed that the one mistake they made was amortizing the signs too quickly. He then
stated support for Mr. Sabol's proposal, noting a one-year moratorium might be a step in the right
direction.
Commissioner Knapp noted that if the Commission changes the sign code now, then
future Commissions will be pressured to postpone the amortization again and again. She then
noted that the Commission has previously made its decisions; and she feels that they should now
.en enforced. She did note that she feels that enforcing these requirements on the illegal non-
conforming signs in the first year would be appropriate.
Mayor Swanson suggested that, in lieu of implementing the amortization schedule
immediately, the City work with groups of business owners to determine which signs must be
changed. He also suggested that any necessary legal work could be completed during this review
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process. He then noted that once this preliminary work has been done, the deadlines for
amortization could be established; and everyone involved would know well in advance when the
signs must be changed.
3. Interchange signage.
Planning Director Epple reminded the Commission that the design objective plans, which
.were adopted earlier in this meeting, identify commercially-zoned properties within 1,000 feet of
the on-off ramp as interchange signage areas. He stated that within those zones, one additional
freestanding sign can be erected; and that sign must have a minimum clearance of 30 feet, a
maximum height of 65 feet, and a maximum area of 400 square feet. He noted that staff had
originally interpreted this section to mean that only one freestanding sign was allowed; however,
he noted that a literal review of the language in this section reveals that a second interchange sign
is allowed.
The Director stated that in meetings with businessmen along the North 7th Avenue and
East Main Street interchange areas, they have expressed a strong desire to eliminate the 3D-foot
minimum clearance while retaining the 65-foot maximum height. He suggested that with the ability
.to erect two freestanding signs at different elevations and orientations, the elimination of the
minimum height may not be necessary.
Mr. Larry Hanson, Bozeman Inn, 1235 North 7th Avenue, expressed concern about the
1,000-foot limitation on the interstate sign zone. He noted that the zone ends in the West Oak
Street right-of-way; and his motel lies along the south side of that street. He then asked that the
distance be amended to include his motel, particularly since it is the only one close to the interstate
that would not have the option for such a sign under the current codes. He then asked for
clarification on the height requirements within that zone, noting that his existing sign is
approximately 40 feet tall.
Commissioner Stiff noted the service station immediately across North 7th Avenue, which
is also immediately outside the 1,000-foot radius from the interchange.
. Mr. Doug Alexander proposed that the minimum height be removed from the interstate
signs, noting support for the 65-foot height limitation.
Mr. Carl Solvie encouraged that the 3D-foot minimum be eliminated. He noted that there
are instances when more appropriate signage could be utilized if that minimum did not exist.
Dr. Hawks noted that this item was considered previously and discarded, primarily because
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of the difficulty in trying to draw a logical boundary. He then cautioned that if an interstate sign
zone is created, care must be taken to establish the boundary based on some acceptable standard,
not just who is in and who is out.
Dr. Hawks then noted that the current provisions for interstate signs do not provide a
sliding scale for area to height; and he feels that type of scale should be included. He also stated
.that he feels a minimum height is necessary, to ensure that those large signs are above the
viewscape.
Mr. Keith Swenson noted that during discussions with businessmen when the zone code
was being drafted, the City indicated concern about the 1400-foot distance for the interchange sign
zone. He then noted that Mr. Stenzel's motel is 1380 feet from the interchange. He then
suggested that the 30-foot minimum height does create problems which could be avoided, noting
that was not the intent of those who had initially drafted the document.
Mr. Swenson noted that the existing sign at The Store is only 30 feet tall, noting that
given the topography of East Main Street, even a 30-foot-tall sign can seem tall. He also expressed
concern that a 65-foot-tall sign in that location could be visible across the top of the hill. He then
.suggested that, rather than a 1400-foot distance from the interchanges, it may be more appropriate
to consider each interchange separately.
Commissioner Frost stated he does not have a problem with establishing a 1400-foot
interchange sign zone. He then suggested that, to avoid potential problems with the height of
signs in this zone, it might be more appropriate to establish the height from the top of the interstate
as opposed to the adjacent street. He further suggested that, since this zone allows a second
freestanding sign, the 20-percent deviation should not be allowed for these signs. He also
suggested that the size of these signs should be placed on a sliding scale also, rather than allowing
a 400-square-foot sign at 30 feet.
Planning Director Epple then submitted two additional issues, not included in his memo,
for Commission consideration, as follows.
. 4. Allowing a business to utilize either interstate signage m: the logo sign program.
The Planning Director stated that a survey of the business interests near the interchanges
revealed that if required to make a choice, they would almost unanimously choose the interstate
signage over the logo program. He then stated that the way the code is currently written will allow
businesses to have both; and any intent to create an either/or situation will require a code
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amendment.
Mr. Doug Alexander stated that most people feel the interstate logo sign program is an
institutional program and does not really bring more people to a business, even though it is
expensive advertising.
Mr. Carl Solvie noted that the logo sign program was designed to assist motorists, not as
.advertising for a specific business. He stated, therefore, that to create an either/or situation is not
appropriate.
Commissioner Knapp stated that, after review of the interstate signage and the interstate
logo program, she feels the two are entirely separate programs; and reference to the logo program
should not be included in the sign code.
5. Possible expansion of the interchange sign zone from 1,000 to 1,400 feet.
Planning Director Epple stated that a1 AOO-foot interchange sign zone was included in
the interim zoning ordinance; and he noted that distance was established following careful
coqsideration by the local ad hoc sign committee. He then stated that any revision to the size of
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this zone must be accomplished by resolution revising the design objective plans, since that is the
.document in which the boundaries of this zone are set forth.
Commissioner Stiff stated support for extending the interchange sign zone beyond the
1,000 feet which is currently provided.
Commissioner Knapp suggested that the interstate sign zones be considered on an
individual basis, rather than trying to establish a specific distance that is to be applicable to all.
Mayor Swanson concurred with Commissioner Knapp's comments, noting that different
standards should be established for the different interchanges, especially in light of the dramatic
differences in the interchanges.
Mr. Alexander noted that under the current code, if a property owner or business owner
wishes to improve his property, he must immediately bring his signs into compliance with the code,
even if all he is seeking is the ability to install new windows and change the appearance of the
.ront of the structure. He stated this serves as reverse psychology for the property owner and
results in leaving the structure as it is.
Following a brief discussion, Mayor Swanson requested this item be placed on the agenda
within the next two or three weeks for further discussion.
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Break - 9:05 to 9:17 D.m.
Mayor Swanson declared a break from 9:05 p.m. to 9: 17 p.m., in accordance with
Commission policy established at their regular meeting of March 14, 1983.
Discussion - FYI Items
. City Manager Wysocki presented to the Commission the following "For Your Information"
items.
(1 ) Memo from Director of Public Service Forbes, dated March 5, 1992, regarding
a meeting scheduled for 2:00 p.m. on March 19 at the Bozeman Public Library regarding the Idaho
Pole Superfund site.
(2) Letter from the Montana Recreation and Park Association, dated February 5,
announcing that Park Superintendent John McNeil has been recertified at the Technician level.
(3) Announcement from the Montana Department of Transportation, dated February
28, of a meeting scheduled for 7:30 p.m. on Monday, March 23, at the Monforton School
regarding the reconstruction of a section of Highway 84 just west of Four Corners.
. (4) Memo, dated March 5, announcing a schedule of meetings to review space needs
for the Police Department and the City Court, and their needs for space under the proposed move
to the Law and Justice Center.
(5) Letter from Teresa Waters, 407 West Alderson Street, dated March 4, 1992,
proposing a long, narrow flower bed along the north fence of Southside Park, with the flowers to
be planted and maintained by the residents.
Mayor Swanson stated his interest in pursuing this proposal, particularly in light of the
substantial neighborhood support which she depicts. He then requested this be forwarded to the
appropriate City staff members for consideration and possible implementation.
(6) Copy of the revised application for boards and commissions, in response to
discussions at last week's Commission meeting.
. (7) Agenda for the March 10 County Commission meeting, along with daily minutes
for the week of February 24 and minutes from the March 3 meeting.
(8) Agenda for the City-County Planning Board meeting scheduled for 7:00 p.m. on
Tuesday, March 10, in the Commission Room.
(9) Copy of the notice soliciting applications for boards and commissions, which
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includes a March 18 deadline.
(10) Agenda for the DRC meeting to be held at 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday, March 10.
(11 ) Agenda for the DRB meeting to be held at 4:00 p.m. on Tuesday, March 10.
(12) Memo from the Planning office, dated March 6, listing the schedule for ORB
members.
. Commissioner Vincent expressed concern about the division of the DRB, particularly in
instances where theirs is the final decision. He then asked if a decision by four of the eight
members is acceptable.
City Attorney Luwe stated that the requirements set forth in the zone code stipulate that
three members, two of which must be professionals with at least one being an architect, comprise
a quorum.
(13) Agenda for the Board of Adjustment meeting scheduled for 1 :30 p.m. on
Thursday, March 12.
(14) Notice of the Chamber of Commerce Governmental Affairs Committee meeting
scheduled for 7:30 a.m. on Thursday, March 12, at the Holiday Inn.
. (15) The City Manager submitted his weekly report, as follows. (1) Announced that
340 delinquent notices were sent to businesses; and it anticipated that those business licenses will
be brought up to date within the next two months. (2) Noted that reminders will be mailed next
month for the May special assessments, due to the number of delinquencies that occurred under
last year's method. (3) Noted that Anderson School and the Gallatin Gateway Elementary School
have requested that the City's DARE program be extended to their schools as well. He stated that
the Police Department is attempting to develop a cost and scheduling to accommodate those
requests. (4) Announced that State Farm insurance is providing two video cameras for use in the
DUI program as well as for other investigations. (5) Noted that the Library personnel are preparing
for the State Library Conference, which is to be held in Bozeman in April, with an anticipated 400
to be in attendance. (6) Reminded the Commissioners of the Interagency Breakfast to be held at
.:00 a.m. on Wednesday, March 11, at the Baxter. (7) Announced the TCC meeting scheduled
for 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday, followed by a task force meeting in the afternoon. (8) Announced
that the Recreation Division is conducting a spring break program for school-aged children next
week. (9) Announced that the Chamber's tourist information booth is to be moved from the
Bozeman Inn parking lot to the Sculpture Park on March 30 or 31.
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( 16) Commissioner Knapp submitted the following. (1) Attended the trails breakfast
meeting, at which information was distributed on the Surface Transportation Act, which contains
$5.3 million for the trails program in Montana. She noted these monies are available in addition
to the Symms bill. (2) Thanked the Clerk of the Commission for the bulletin board on the back wall
of the Commission Room.
. (17) Commissioner Vincent stated his intent to bring back a proposed policy for
appointments to boards and commissions, for Commission consideration in two weeks. He
expressed concern about the lack of opportunity to review applications and talk to applicants under
the current system, suggesting that the process be lengthened and made more public.
( 18) Commissioner Stiff stated last week was a busy week, but at least one other
Commissioner was in attendance at all the meetings which he attended. He then noted his
attendance at the City-County Planning Board, expressing concern that if their meetings continue
to be as lengthy as some of the recent ones, the Commission will begin losing its appointees to that
board. He also suggested it would be beneficial to identify alternate sites, so that large meetings
could be easily relocated to avoid crowding the room beyond capacity, which also occurred
.recentIY.
(19) Commissioner Frost submitted the following. (1) Attended the Planning Board
meeting on Tuesday night, noting that he left before midnight. He noted that, although the Board
adopted the same schedule as the Commission, they did not enforce the time limits. (2) Attended
the trails luncheon meeting. He noted that Bozeman and Missoula are the only two communities
in the State with a trails master plan in progress, which should help in garnering funds. (3) He and
Steve Schnee met with the Chronicle staff on Thursday to discuss tax increment financing. (4)
Noted that all changes have been made to the tree ordinance; and copies have been distributed to
the ad hoc committee members as well as the City Attorney and Director of Public Service for
review prior to the next committee meeting, which is scheduled for March 31. (5) Announced that
he, Mayor Swanson and City Attorney Luwe have signed up for the wheelchair basketball
.tournament on March 28; and he is seeking three more team players.
(20) City Attorney Luwe stated that he and Staff Attorney Susan Wordal met with
Zone Code Enforcement Officer Beall to discuss citing zone code violations into City Court on a
criminal complaint. He stated this process is scheduled to begin April 6, after appropriate notice
has been given. He then noted that some ordinance changes may be necessary to provide for more
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appropriate processing of these complaints,
The City Attorney then addressed the difference between illegal non-conforming signs and
legal non-conforming signs, noting that illegal non-conforming signs cannot be amortized because
they are in violation of the code,
(21) Clerk of the Commission Sullivan noted that an intent to appeal the City-County
.Planning Board's decision on the Dickenson Apartments has been filed; and it is anticipated that
the full appeal will be filed by tomorrow's deadline, She noted the next standard hearing date will
be April 6, but asked if the Commission would be willing to set that hearing date for March 23
instead, She also noted that Planning Director Epple has also requested that the Commission
consider setting aside the next two Monday evenings as work sessions on the zone code, if they
choose to utilize the standard hearing date,
Following a brief discussion, the Commission set the hearing date on the appeal for March
23, and agreed to a work session on the zone code on March 30, in addition to the regularly
scheduled evening session on April 6,
(22) Mayor Swanson submitted the following, (1) A letter from Sas Swigert Weber,
.dated March 6, regarding the quality of the water at the Swim Center. (2) Noted the editorial in
the Bozeman Dailv Chronicle regarding crosswalks and the safety of pedestrians in Bozeman. He
then asked that a more extensive enforcement program be implemented to make those crosswalks
safer. (3) Distributed a schedule of Native American Awareness Week activities to the
Commissioners.
(23) Commissioner Vincent asked about the process for making a decision on the
garbage collection issues, and whether a public hearing will be involved,
The City Manager briefly reviewed the process he envisions will be utilized, noting that
a public hearing should definitely be a part of that process,
Adjournment - 9:45 D.m.
. There being no further business to come before the Commission at this time, it was moved
by Commissioner Frost, seconded by Commissioner Knapp, that the meeting be adjourned. The
motion carried by the following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Frost,
Commissioner Knapp, Commissioner Stiff, Commissioner Vincent and Mayor Swanson; those
voting No, none.
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ROBIN L. SULLIVAN
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