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MINUTES OF THE MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION
BOZEMAN, MONTANA
March 8, 1993
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. The Commission of the City of Bozeman met in regular session in the Commission Room,
Municipal Building, March 8, 1993, at 3:30 p.m. Present were
Mayor Swanson, Commissioner
Frost, Commissioner Vincent, Commissioner Knapp, City Manager Wysocki, City Attorney Luwe
and Acting Clerk of the Commission Statton. Commissioner Stiff was absent in compliance with
Section 7-3-4322(2) M.C.A.
The meeting was opened with the Pledge of Allegiance and a moment of silence.
None of the Commissioners requested that any of the Consent Items be removed for
discussion.
Minutes . March 1. 1993
It was moved by Commissioner Frost, seconded by Commissioner Vincent, that the
.inutes of the regular meeting of March 1, 1993, be approved as submitted. The motion carried
by the following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Frost, Commissioner
Vincent, Commissioner Knapp and Mayor Swanson; those voting No, none.
Decision - Deviations from Sections 18.50.120.A.5. 18.50.100.5.c(1) and 18.32.050 to allow
backina ioto the allev. Drovide for alternative means for parking lot laodscaDing and allow 5 % -foot
encroachment into reauired 15-foot front yard setback - Scott Johnson. 101 East Mendenhall
Street (Z-9304)
This was the time and place set for the decision on deviations from Sections
18.50.120.A.5., 18.50.1 00.5.c(1) and 18.32.050 to allow backing into the alley, provide for
alternative means for parking lot landscaping and allow 5 % -foot encroachment into required 15-foot
front yard setback requested by Scott Johnson for 101 East Mendenhall Street under Application
.0. 2-9304.
City Manager Wysocki presented the memo from Associate Planner Wall, dated March 4,
1993, provided in response to a request for additional information relating to Items 1 and 2 in the
Planner's memo of February 24, Page 2. He stated there were five conditions set forth in the letter
of February 24 that staff feels are important.
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In response to Mayor Swanson, the applicant, Scott Johnson
stated he would like the
Commission to go ahead with a decision today rather than waiting until there is a full Commission
present.
Mayor Swanson asked the Commissioners if they had any questions
for the applicant or
eAssociate Planner Wall. He then stated he would like to give the applicant a chance to respond to
the March 4, 1993 report from Mr. Wall.
The Mayor stated that staff is concerned with three portions
of the zone code, one of
which has to do with Section 18.42.060.B, the architectural details and whether they correlate
with existing buildings. He noted that Problem 2 is Section
18.42.060.C, which deals with
compatibility of the rehabilitation elements of the structure and surrounding structures.
He
concluded that Problem 3 is with Section 18.42.060.A. being in compliance with the Secretary of
Interior's standards for rehabilitation.
Mayor Swanson explained that the Commission has to either pass
or deny item 11 b from
last week's agenda, in which staff is recommending approval of the application with 5 conditions
that they feel brings this application into compliance with the City's zone code.
. The Mayor expressed that the applicant and the DRB do not agree
with staff
recommendations; and therefore, the decision is now left up to the Commission.
In response to Commissioner Frost, Associate Planner Wall stated
that he discussed the
legality issue with City Attorney Luwe. He explained that the question is, can you grant deviations
from this criteria, meaning those three sections under 18.42.060. The answer was that is not
appropriate because of the prerequisite for getting deviations is to obtain a "Certificate of
Appropriateness". He stated that under this application this criteria is not met.
Commissioner Vincent referred to Page 2 of the Associate Planner's
memo and stated that
the Associate Planner's words, "Thus, although the details are a seemingly insignificant factor
overall, they will have a profound effect in radically changing the character of the structure", are
very strong language. He noted that a radical change is a significant expression.
. Associate Planner Wall explained that the architectural elements in question here are
definitive elements; these items are changed on the existing portion of the building; and they
essentially speak very differently than the previous elements. He went on to say that in his opinion
this does not correlate with the existing buildings. He stated that the two buildings don't replicate
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each other, particularly in their openings. He stated that in his own view, these alterations would
change that area dramatically. He attempted to put the concept into perspective by stating that,
these are the elements that "define the structure as a whole".
Commissioner Vincent questioned Associate Planner Wall about
Items 1 and 2 of his
.memo; and asked if, in Mr. Wall's professional opinion, the various treatments violate those
sections of the zoning ordinance. He then questioned how much of that is based on an objective
appraisal, given various tangibles, versus a subjective analysis.
The Associate Planner stated that the Secretary of Interior's
standards, which are
incorporated into the code by reference under paragraph A of that section, are not subjective; and
noted his memo gives examples of the criteria not met.
Commissioner Knapp stated concern with the historical significance
or lack thereof. She
questioned whether or not Section 18.42.060.A, which references the Secretary of Interior's
guidelines, applies here.
Responding to Commissioner Knapp, the Associate Planner stated
that the guidelines apply
here because these are standards that apply throughout the conservation district; and this building
.is within that conservation district.
Scott Johnson, applicant, commented that the historic significance
of this building is no
longer there. He noted that ten years ago there may have been some historical significance; but
today the whole front of the building has been redone, windows replaced with metal windows, the
whole base is entirely different; and the back has a crate elevator put in with tin. He stated that
to make it historical or have the criteria apply here is ludicrous, because the building will never be
what it was.
The applicant explained that the brick building next to his
building is also being remodeled.
He noted that neither one of them should have to remodel their buildings to look like the others.
He stated that many buildings downtown have been remodeled, possibly with different materials
but have the same design styles as what is projected in their application.
. Mr. Connie Hochhalter, designer. stated that his impression of what is creating the
problems are the proposed 4 inch arches above the windows and the mansard tile roof. He noted
that the owner of the building would like to see these arches and mansard tile roof; and the
Planning Department would like to see the window straight and the roof Dryvit cornice.
He
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explained that the DRB approved both proposals as submitted; and he does not see the significance
of what has created all of the problems.
City Manager Wysocki corrected Mr. Hochhalter by stating that
the DRB does not approve
anything, they recommend. He informed the Commission that these are not insignificant things;
..ather. a change from what is normallv required. He expressed his opinion that a deviation is asked
for, then the City staff and/or DRB and/or City Commission are asked to look at other things as
trade for some of the changes to what is normally required.
Scott Johnson, applicant, commented that the deviation requested
for backing into the
alley is the result of a currently existing condition; and he is not trying to worsen, but better the
alley by paving it and designating only certain spots for parking.
He noted that the setback
requested in the front is to replace an entire parking lot in front of the building with landscape; and
the other deviation is for two ordinances in conflict, in which he would have to have a deviation
for one or the other. He stated that the choice given was to take the screen down and offset it
with landscaping in the back, which has been.
City Attorney Luwe pointed out that Section 18.42.080, "Deviations
from underlying
.oning requirements", gives the requirements or criteria for considering deviations. He listed the
three criteria as follows: (1) modifications shall be consistent with intent and purpose of this
chapter, the zoning ordinance, and any adopted Master Plan, (2) modifications will have minimal
adverse effect on abutting properties or the permitted uses thereof; and (3) modifications shall
assure the protection of the public health, safety, and general welfare. He noted that in granting
these deviations, the Commission, if it so desires, can grant them straight out or condition them
to ensure the intent of this chapter on the neighborhood conservation district is met.
It was moved by Commissioner Vincent, seconded by Commissioner
Frost, that the
Commission approvethe requested deviations from Sections 18.50.120.A.5, 18.50.1 00.5.c(1) and
18.32.050 to allow backing into the alley, provide for alternative means for parking lot landscaping
and allow 5 Y2 -foot encroachment into required 15-foot front yard setback requested by Scott
.JOhnSOn for 101 East Mendenhall Street under Application No. Z-9304 as recommended by the
DRB.
Commissioner Knapp stated that she is against the motion; but
willing to vote for the
deviations with the conditions brought forth in the memo included.
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Commissioner Vincent stated that this is a tremendous learning experience because it
involves such interesting and difficult relationships between process, policy and the product or end
result. He noted that he is not in a position to counter the staff lightly; there is an element of
subjectivity involved here; and this is a "close call". He informed the Commission of his feelings
.hat the City Manager's distinction between an approval and a recommendation is vitally important;
ut, given the subjectivity involved, he has to recognize that some decisions are going to be close
calls and not always easy.
Commissioner Frost stated that as a board, with no one being a designer, the Commission
accepts recommendations from the planning staff, DRC, DRB, and in some cases the Planning
Board. He noted that the Commission has to make the final decision. He stated that his opinions
are based on the professional reports given by one or all of the boards and staff.
Commissioner Frost stated that the report from the DRB is that the building is basically
harmless; and he agreed with the recommendation until listening to further discussion from the City
Attorney and staff. He stated that he is now in favor of requiring those five conditions being met.
He explained that you can not legislate perfect design and the Commission does not want to do
.hat; rather, every situation is different. He went on to say that the building does have history and
it is in a sensitive area, one block away from Main Street which is on the National Register of
Historical Districts. He considered it important that it stay in context with the area that it is in; and
the arguments made by staff will make it better.
Commissioner Frost explained that the Commission has to be consistent in meeting the
code to avoid problems later; and the code must be met first. He stated that the code has not been
met in this case; and without the conditions proposed by staff, he will not support the motion.
Mayor Swanson stated he would not support the motion either. He noted that he wanted
the project to go ahead; although, the problems in terms of architectural details and how they
affect the existing building and the district are a factor. He expressed concern with how it relates
to the Secretary of Interior's standards for rehabilitation regarding the roof, windows, building site
end neighborhood. He stated that the recommended changes, with the five conditions, will make
it a better project and will put it in compliance with the code. He explained that he does not feel
it is the intention of the Planning staff to submarine this proposal; but the five conditions will help
to make the project better.
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The motion (to approve the Application as recommended by the DR B) failed by the
following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Vincent; those voting No being
Commissioner Frost, Commissioner Knapp and Mayor Swanson.
It was moved by Commissioner Knapp, seconded by Commissioner Frost, that the
. Commission approve the requested deviations from Sections 18.50. 120.A. 5, 18.50.1 OO.5.c(1 ) and
18.32.050 to allow backing into the alley, provide for alternative means for parking lot landscaping
and allow 5 %-foot encroachment into required 15-foot front yard setback requested by Scott
Johnson for 101 East Mendenhall Street under Application No. Z-9304, subject to the following:
1. The curved elements proposed for the windows, doors, tops of
columns, and signage shall be eliminated;
2. In lieu of the tiled mansard roof proposed for the addition, the roofline
of the addition shall be differentiated from the existing building by the
installation of a Dryvit cornice or concrete coping;
3. The Dryvit window jambs proposed for the addition shall be eliminated.
The windows on the addition shall be detailed by rectangular headers
and/or sills;
4. The windows on the existing structure shall not be altered;
5. Revised elevations which incorporate the conditions stated above shall
. be subject to the review and approval of the Planning Staff prior to final
site plan approval.
The motion carried by the following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner
Knapp, Commissioner Frost and Mayor Swanson; those voting No being Commissioner Vincent.
Break - 4:10 D.m. to 4:15 p.m.
Mayor Swanson declared a break from 4: 1 0 p.m. to 4: 15 p.m., in accordance with
Commission policy established at their regular meeting of March 14, 1983.
Ordinance No. 1362 - Salary Ordinance for City Manager for Calendar Year 1993
City Manager Wysocki presented Ordinance No. 1362, as approved by City Attorney
.uwe, entitled:
ORDINANCE NO. 1362
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
BOZEMAN, MONTANA, FIXING THE MONTHLY SALARY AND
OFFICIAL BOND OF THE CITY MANAGER OF THE CITY OF
BOZEMAN, AS REQUIRED BY LAW.
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It was moved by Commissioner Frost, seconded by Commissioner
Vincent, that the
Commission provisionally adopt Ordinance No. 1362, fixing the monthly salary and official bond
of the City Manager for Calendar Year 1993, and bring back in two weeks for final adoption. The
motion carried by the following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Frost,
.commissioner Vincent, Commissioner Knapp and Mayor Swanson; those voting No, none.
Discussion - FYI Items
City Manager Wysocki presented to the Commission the following
"For Your Information"
items.
(1 ) A map
entitled, Spring and Summer Streamflow Forecasts, as of February
1, 1993, showing that Bozeman is in the 90 to 110 percent range.
(2) A memo
from Planning Director Epple, dated March 2, 1993, concerning the
ISTEA "Enhancement Program" proposals within the Jurisdictional Area as requested by the City
and County Commissions on January 19, 1993.
City Manager Wysocki stated that he talked to Planning Director
Epple about the
.0SSibility of picking two or three projects to start working on this summer.
(3) A letter
from Senior Planner, Dave Skelton, dated March 1, 1993, to First
Security Bank, approving the requested modification to Conditional Use Permit No. Z-9079 to
construct a 5,000 square foot walk-up and drive-up banking facility on property identified as being
607 South 19th Avenue. The approval is subject to conditions from the Planning Office and
includes summary-review comments forwarded by the Bozeman Development Review Committee
and the Design Review Board on February 23, 1993.
(4) Agenda
for the Development Review Committee meeting to be held on Tuesday,
March 9, 1993 at 10:00 a.m. in the Carnegie Building.
(5) Agenda
for the Design Review Board meeting to be held on Tuesday, March 9,
1993 at 4:00 p.m. in the Carnegie Building.
. (6) Notice of the Chamber's Governmental Affairs Committee meeting to be held on
Thursday, March 11, 1993 at 7:00 a.m. in the Bozeman Area Chamber of Commerce Office.
(7) Agenda
for the Gallatin County Commission meeting to be held on Tuesday,
March 9, 1993 at 1 :30 p.m. in the Community Room of the Courthouse.
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(8) City Manager Wysocki submitted his weekly report as follows: (1) Stated that
he has communicated with the Legislature, noting that things are becoming intense. (2) Stated
that the Interagency Breakfast is to be held Wednesday, March 10, 1993 at 7:00 a.m. in the
Baxter. (3) Noted that the Parking Commission met last week. (4) Met with two scout dens who
. were working on their citizenship badges. (51 Stated that the Task Force met to talk about what
the City and County have left to do and what needs to be done to get the interchange bids out,
which is scheduled for late June.
(9) Commissioner Frost submitted the following: (1) Attended the DRB meeting and
Planning Board meeting last Tuesday. He stated that the Planning Board asked Director Epple to
look into the jurisdictional area, specifically the area near Bear Canyon. He noted that the
Director's recommendation was not to change the jurisdictional boundary because it is in the best
interests of agriculture and the City to stick with the code. (2)
Attended the DBA meeting on
Wednesday. (3) Attended the Recreation and Parks Advisory Board meeting Wednesday night.
He stated that one topic discussed was the Commission's decision on Hyalite and Josephine Parks.
He noted that they were concerned with the Commission changing the motion on the irrigation of
.JOSePhine Park; and informed them that the Commission, by saying, "no heavy irrigation", meant
no lines or the like. (4) Informed the Commission that they may be receiving a letter from the
Recreation and Parks Advisory Board that requests the City to deal with the hospital concerning
the right-of-way on the north side of the property to get a right-of-way. (5) Attended the ad hoc
Sign Committee meeting; and reported that everyone was there except Commissioner Stiff and
Gene Cook. He stated that he was pleased with the meeting, noting that the Committee has not
been very active; and lately they have carried a full agenda. (6) Attended the Montana State Lady
Bobcats versus the University of Montana Lady Grizzlies basketball game Friday night, which the
Bobcats won. He noted that they also won the coin toss to host the upcoming tournament.
(10) Commissioner Knapp submitted the following: (1 )
Stated that she has a
welcome to give Thursday, to Agriculture in Montana Schools. (2) Announced that she would be
.ttending the TCC meeting on Wednesday, at which time she was informed that the meeting had
been changed to Wednesday, April 21, 1993.
(11 ) Commissioner Vincent submitted the following: (1) Stated that he might not be
able to make the Interagency Breakfast on Wednesday. (2) Noted that he did some door-to-door
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in an effort to gain more input on the transportation plan.
Mayor Swanson added that he has another meeting to attend on Wednesday morning and
asked that Commissioner Knapp attend the Interagency Breakfast in his place.
(12) City Attorney Luwe stated that he will be gone during Spring Break. He noted
.hat he has 1/3 of his National Guard obligation to fulfill in Virginia. He informed the Commission
that Assistant Attorney, Susan Wordal, would be attending the Commission meeting while he is
away.
(13) Mayor Swanson stated that he will be attending a meeting Wednesday and
Thursday and possibly Friday in Helena; and asked Commissioner Vincent to sit as Mayor during
the Board of Health meeting to be held on Wednesday March 10, 1993 at 3:30 p.m. in the County
Courthouse.
(14) Mayor Swanson asked for ideas from the Commission about the scheduled
discussion for the evening; and whether everything was moving along fine or if things needed to
be sped up. He stated that when the Commission is done discussing each part in detail, they can
go through and vote on each one at a subsequent meeting. The Commissioners stated
eoncurrence. noting they should avoid rambling and repeating.
Consent Items
City Manager Wysocki presented to the Commission the following Consent Items.
Reauest from Bozeman Community Recvclina Coalition for $200 donation for
SDring Festival - Mav 1. 1993. Gallatin County Fairarounds
Em;I~Yment Agreement for City Manager Wvsocki for Calendar Year 1993
Au h rize City Manaoer to sian Chanos Order Nos. 2 and 3 for the North 19thl
1-90 Sewer Relocation
Acknowledge receiDt of reauest to tie onto City sewer service without
annexation - 1 st Security Bank. 705 Bridaer Drive: refer to staff
It was moved by Commissioner Vincent, seconded by Commissioner Knapp, that the
Commission approve the Consent Items as listed, and authorize and direct the appropriate persons
.0 complete the necessary actions. The motion carried by the following Aye and No vote: those
oting Aye being Commissioner Vincent, Commissioner Knapp, Commissioner Frost and Mayor
Swanson; those voting No, none.
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Recess - 4:32 D.m.
Mayor Swanson declared a recess at 4:32 p.m., to reconvene at 7:00 p.m. for the
purpose of conducting the scheduled continued discussion.
eReCOI1Vene a~ 7:00 D.m.
Mayor Swanson reconvened the Commission at 7:00 p.m. for the purpose of conducting
the scheduled continued discussion.
Continued discussion - issues to be resolved in DreDaration for adoDtion of transDortation plan
uDdate
City Manager Wysocki addressed the memo that was included in the Commissioners'
packets for last week's meeting from Planning Director Epple, dated February 18, 1993. He
reminded the Commission that it is only a summary of important topics brought out as a result of
the public testimony on February 1, 1993. He reminded the Commission that they discussed issues
pertaining to MSU campus and began conversation on Part A of South Willson Avenue last week.
Mayor Swanson informed those in the audience that the public hearing has been closed,
.so there will be no further public testimony. He stated that if anyone wants to see the minutes
from the March 1 meeting, they are in the office of the Clerk of the Commission.
City Manager Wysocki clarified that the Commission will not be addressing out financing
solutions today; the discussion will be on Commissioners' opinions on the result of public testimony
and Director Epple's memo.
Mayor Swanson stated that the Commission will be dedicating at least two meetings to
funding recommendations and implementations; and noted it would be easier to sort through that
later. He explained that each Commissioner is not being polled; all discussion is strictly opinions;
and there should be a full Commission before any final decisions are made.
Mayor Swanson requested that Planning Director Epple explain the speed limit map
_ .rou9ht to the meeting and go through Director of Public Service Forbes' memo.
Planning Director Epple deemed it inappropriate to try to cover Director of Public Service
Forbes' memo; and went on to explain the speed limit map for clarification. He stated that the map
is to show various speed limits throughout the town. He noted that the purple color shows the 55
mph zones; the yellow are the 45 mph zones; the green are the 35 mph zones; the pink are 15 mph
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zones; and everything else not marked with a color are 25 mph zones.
Mayor Swanson stated that this was not the appropriate time to talk about speed limits,
but the map could be a source of one key point to be discussed later. He noted that it would also
be appropriate to ask Director of Public Service Forbes to identify areas that he might think need
.changing.
~ Mayor Swanson asked if any Commissioners would like to talk about Director of Public
Service Forbes' memo, dated March 3, 1993.
Commissioner Frost stated that this memo has been given to them as a guide for the
development of bicycle facilities. He suggested that there could be 3- or 4-foot bicycle lanes while
retaining parking on both sides of the street and 11-foot traffic lanes. He expressed that it would
be safer for bikers and motorists to have a designated area for bike lanes.
Commissioner Vincent addressed the many letters from the public, raising questions about
alternatives; and whether it would be better to have bikes on the arterials or not. He noted that
he would like to hear more about that particular issue. He cautioned that the Commission should
take the time to look into alternative streets and whether or not they are more reasonable.
. Commissioner Knapp stated support with Commissioner Vincent's comments about
alternative streets that parallel Willson Street, such as Tracy or Grand, with less traffic.
Mayor Swanson diagramed his idea of what the bike lanes and traffic lanes on Willson
would look like. He explained that Willson is at least 44 feet, and grows to 45 feet and then 46
feet at its maximum. He noted that if parking were taken off the east side of Willson, there would
be room for a 6-foot bike lane; a 12-foot car lane both ways; another 6-foot bike lane; and then
an 8-foot parking lane on the west side of the street, which totals 44 feet across. He stated that
this would work very well for everyone. He noted that the reason for the bike lane on the east side
of the street is because the greatest speed comes from those traveling north; and bicyclists would
then be traveling as fast as the 25 mph speed limit. He reminded the Commission that this
.ecommendation comes from the Bozeman Area Bicycle Advisory Board. the consultant and the
lanning Board. He noted that this same recommendation is projected for 11th Avenue and Kagy
Boulevard as well. He explained that striping would provide safety; help motorists to see bikers;
and help bikers to see motorists. He went on to say that it is imperative that there should be large
sight triangles at all intersections mentioned, which would eliminate some parking from one side
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of the street so motorists can see pedestrians standing on the corner. He concluded that it is
important for speeds be slowed down to 25 mph for this to work effectively.
Commissioner Frost agreed that Willson Avenue is the street to have bike lanes because
it is controlled.
City Manager Wysocki questioned the effectiveness of a 4-foot bulb on each side of the
.street for pedestrian crossing, suggesting that the City might as well not have them if that is all
the longer they will be.
Mayor Swanson explained that the motorists could then see the pedestrians better. He
stated that some ideas need to be tried to see how they work.
Planning Director Epple stated that this is a real workable solution; but can not see the
4-foot bulb extending out into the 6-foot bicycle lane. He suggested that on that side of the street
there is no problem with pedestrians having to dart out from behind parked cars; but there is a
problem on the other side of the street, where an 8-foot parking lane could have a 6-foot bulb that
significantly reduces the crossing distance.
Mayor Swanson stated that this suggestion would also decrease the cost by one-half. He
.noted that a key question is how can automobile traffic be lessened on Willson Avenue to make
it more attractive to pedestrians and cyclists. He stated that these pedestrians would not be
competing for parking spaces; and cyclist spaces only cost around $35, as opposed to well over
$10,000 for automobile parking.
Responding to Commissioner Frost, Director Epple stated that he is not aware of any
parking study done on Willson or College specifically.
Commissioner Frost stated concern with the 12-foot lanes and the fact that the wider the
lanes, the faster the traffic will flow.
Mayor Swanson suggested the possibility of 10-foot lanes; although, Director of Public
Service Forbes' memo recommends a minimum of 11-foot lanes. He noted the possibility of more
discussion on this topic. He went on to say that this is not a biking initiative, because clearing up
.he street helps everyone, including the pedestrian.
Commissioner Knapp stated that there is no simple solution. She noted that both to the
south and north of Garfield on Willson, there is a lot of parking on the street and getting rid of
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some of it would be a help. She then questioned where the people would park, suggesting maybe
along the side streets.
Commissioner Vincent stated that some of that parking could be included in the MSU
parking district when it is completed. He noted that if there were a problem with the parking, then
.hat would be an option. He then asked the Commission if it is common for bike lanes to parallel
parking lanes.
Mayor Swanson stated that the bicyclist needs to be outside the door swing of a car.
Commissioner Vincent then questioned whether the proposed widths take the car door
swing into consideration.
Mayor Swanson stated that the 6-foot lane should give plenty of room. He concluded that
the Commission should not forget the survey the POST Committee did, noting the top priority of
the 400 random people they talked to, was cycling lanes. He stated that these bike lanes have
been suggested for nearly 20 years now.
Commissioner Knapp reminded the Commission to be careful in their decision; and to think
of the pedestrians on Willson, as this is a heavily-walked street. She stated that the pedestrians
.eed the ability to get across the street with ease; and the bulb extensions would help
considerably.
Mayor Swanson acknowledged the Babcock/Mendenhall problems and the elimination of
parking that downtown people oppose. He stated that the bonus on those streets is that there
does not have to be two bike lanes because they are one-way streets. He suggested that by
erasing one bike lane and moving the center line over slightly, this would move the remaining bike
lane over slightly to make room for parking and bike lanes on the one-way streets. He then
suggested that the best place to put that bike lane on Babcock is the north side, since traffic is
parked on the other side of the street; and the bicyclists would not have to worry about door
swing. He stated that the same thing applies to Mendenhall, with the bike lane on the south side
of the street.
. In response to City Manager Wysocki, Mayor Swanson stated that there would be no
elimination of parking on Babcock except where there are sight triangles for motorists to see
pedestrians. He stated that the stripe will serve as a reminder to the motorist that the cyclist is
there.
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Commissioner Vincent stated that whether a part or all of this project is done, the striping
is crucial. He questioned whether there would be a need for extra provisions to make sure that the
striping was always there and visible.
Mayor Swanson stated that the striping is a necessity to make the community safer for
~destrians. bikes and cars.
In response to Commissioner Knapp, Planning Director Epple stated that there is going to
be an inconvenience with snowplows and bulbs; and it is simply not easy to solve.
1. SOUTH WILLSON AVENUE
B. Elimination of through truck traffic between Babcock and Kagy
Commissioner Vincent stated that this is something that needs to be done, but is
concerned with the alternative that is available. He explained that it is unfortunate the
only
alternative is Highland Boulevard. He noted that even though Highland is compatible for four lanes,
there are a lot of senior citizens, as well as other people traveling to the hospital and rest home,
the grades going up on both sides are significant; and the noise that heavy truck traffic makes will
be great. He noted that with all of the truck traffic, there will be more maintenance; and in the
.winter this will be a major issue.
Commissioner Knapp stated that the current truck traffic on South Willson is at a
maximum, and eliminating through truck traffic there could reduce some of the problem.
She
acknowledged that it is difficult to move truck traffic any place; and what needs to be done first
is to decide on the truck routes before some of the other decisions are made. She noted that what
has been discussed for Highland is to remove some of the dips and blind spots from the area. She
explained that it is obvious that the rights-of-way and space for four lanes are already there. She
expressed that the neighborhoods in town can not be destroyed by truck traffic, and acknowledged
there will be some truck traffic on neighborhood streets, due to deliveries.
Mayor Swanson referred to Director of Public Service Forbes' memo, stating that Highland
Boulevard is 25 feet wide versus what Willson Avenue which is 44 to 46 feet wide. He stated that
.e could not support directing trucks to Highland under the current configuration because of the
serious problems, already mentioned, that will occur.
Commissioner Knapp stated that the road must be improved and a signal put in before the
Commission can go on with this suggestion.
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Responding to Mayor Swanson, Planning Director Epple stated that improvements, under
the current schedule from the Planning Department, have been moved up from the recommended
Priority #11 to #9. He stated that the price would be $5.7 million for this one project from Main
Street to Kagy alone, without the addition of a signal at Main Street.
.. In response to Mayor Swanson, City Manager Wysocki stated that the City's bonding
capability is about $7 million; and this one project would take most of it.
Mayor Swanson stated that it would be a long time before this project could be taken on.
He suggested that in the meantime the City should create a pathway in some part of the right-of-
way to get cyclists and pedestrians off the street, similar to what was done on South Third Avenue
for the school sidewalk. He explained that it needs to be something that protects the City's
investment when the major improvements are made.
Commissioner Frost agreed that the truck traffic needs to removed from Willson Avenue,
but the City can not afford to upgrade Highland Boulevard from Main Street to Kagy. He explained
that the problems with Highland are at the south end; the rolling hills; the narrow road; and the fact
that it is right in front of houses. He suggested that with 90 feet of right-of-way, the road
be
.oved west, away from the subdivision, and widened and flattened out for the extra distance. He
stated that a four lane road is not necessarily needed at this time, but dealing with the people that
live there now is. He would like to see figures as to how much the cost would be to finish the
southern end of Highland to get it away from houses and make it wide enough for trucks to use.
He noted that this is a high priority item.
City Manager Wysocki stated that there is a lot of developing in the County in that area;
and the City has the prospect of the hospital land being developed.
Commissioner Knapp commented that there could be a school bus problem on Highland.
She noted that she spoke with someone from the school district about the possibility of rerouting
the bus to decrease the hazard. She stated concern with the bus making nine stops in a short
.distance, causing problems for emergency travel to the hospital. She indicated a need to mediate
the problems in that area with bus traffic.
Responding to Commissioner Vincent, Planning Director Epple stated that the intersection
of Babcock/Willson and the south leg of Willson is estimated to have approximately 1.9 to 2.2
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percent total truck traffic. He then estimated there are about 10,000 vehicle trips per day, on that
street/intersection currently.
Commissioner Frost stated that he is not considering Highland, Kagy, or 19th as a truck
route, but rather, through truck traffic routes.
. Commissioner Vincent stated that Mayor Swanson and Commissioner Frost expressed the
, same reservations about Highland and whether or not to wait for the problems to be resolved
before it can be used as an interim measure.
c. Willson/South Thirdl Kagy intersection
Commissioner Knapp stated that the opposition for improving the intersection is created
by the anticipated increase in traffic down Willson; however, the current intersection configuration
is flawed. She noted that the intersection needs to be improved; but does not want to increase
traffic on Willson, which is already close to the maximum for traffic flow. She suggested that the
removal of traffic from Willson would force it on to South Third or other near streets; and this
would not improve the situation.
Planning Director Epple responded in the affirmative to Mayor Swanson's question of
.whether the transportation plan included the closure of Third Avenue at that intersection.
Mayor Swanson supports the intersection improvements, and thinks the Commission made
a strong commitment, particularly in the Overbrook discussions, that the intersection is going to
be one of the top priorities. He noted that the intersection is an absolute mess; and the sooner the
improvements are made the better.
Commissioner Frost stated that the traffic should not be moved down Willson. He
suggested slip lanes to run people onto the streets heading east and west. He stated that no
matter what is done to South Third, it will always be a mess. He suggested that the people who
use the streets should be the ones that live there. He expressed a need for another east route,
south of Kagy, before coming to Goldenstein. He noted that development is being proposed there,
so this would be a good time to start looking into that option. He stated that this is not a place
.0 make an efficient transportation plan; and in this case, aligning the intersection of Willson and
South Third is not the best solution.
Mayor Swanson questioned Planning Director Epple as to whether Goldenstein is planned
to be paved to 19th this summer.
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Director Epple stated it is.
Commissioner Frost stated that if South Third is not convenient
to use, then people will
seek alternative routes in more efficient ways. He suggested that people could swing over to 11th
or 19th instead of fighting the traffic on South Third.
~ . Commissioner Vincent stated that the intersection needs improvement; and agrees with
the other Commissioners' comments. He reminded the Commission that they have to accept that
traffic in Bozeman is going to grow; and there is a need to accommodate for that traffic flow.
D. Traffic control
of intersection at College (and South Willson)
Mayor Swanson stated he does not support this; and no one in
pUblic testimony supported
it, either.
Commissioner Frost stated that there is a need for some way
to make pedestrians travel
safer.
Commissioner Vincent stated that he does not support a signal
because it would restrict
the flow of traffic on Willson; and it would make Willson more accessible and easier to get onto
at that point.
. Commissioner Knapp stated concurrence with the Mayor; and suggested
that the whole
batch of Willson improvements be moved down to Priority #18 on the list.
Planning Director Epple stated that in light of the discussion
that was started last week
and this week, the Commission is headed for high priority TSM's with the Willson improvements.
He suggested taking the Willson improvements out of the major projects and breaking them up into
a series of TSM's.
2. HIGHLAND BOULEVARD
Mayor Swanson stated that the Commission already covered this
above and expressed
the strong opposition to Highland Boulevard being a local truck route, and any actions that result
in increased truck traffic on Highland. He stated that the south leg of Highland presents a segment
with the potential for a very strong and new idea. He asked that the Commission not forget his
.dea for an additional pathway that takes pedestrians and cyclists off that street. He felt it
important to emphasize that when and if these improvements are made, Highland Boulevard will
be a major truck route.
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Planning Director Epple questioned whether it is correct to describe the Commission's
views that Highland should be designated as a "local truck route" until significant improvements
are made; and then questioned whether or not Willson should not be designated as "no through
trucks" until those improvements are made.
_. Commissioner Knapp stated she feels that moving the truck traffic will certainly require
an alternative.
Director Epple asked the Commission if it is okay to assume that a trimmed-down, south
end Highland project is likely to float to a higher priority.
Commissioner Frost stated that he expected to see that because of the unsafe conditions
that are there now.
Mayor Swanson stated that the Commission will be directing a whole section of meeting
to those specific concerns.
Responding to Mayor Swanson, City Manager Wysocki suggested that possibly by the
March 22, 1993 meeting, there will be an estimated "ballpark" figure of the costs for this project.
3. PEACH STREET
. Commissioner Vincent stated that he is not prepared to give an opinion on this topic at
this time.
Commissioner Knapp stated that she understands the problem of turning to the left, off
Tamarack and onto 7th Avenue. She noted that it is a nightmare to turn there without a signal.
She stated that what the Commission has not dealt with is the long-term plan of putting in another
east-west street. She stated that the Commission should not only look at what to do next; but two
or three moves down the road.
Mayor Swanson explained that until there is a signal at Tamarack and 7th to help trucks
use the intersection easier, the truck traffic simply can not be directed there. He stated that the
signal at Tamarack and 7th would then be able to take some of the traffic away from Peach Street.
Responding to Mayor Swanson, Planning Director Epple stated that the Planning Board
eecommended that this item be a high priority TSM; and this signal is one ofthe top priority TSM' s.
Commissioner Frost stated concurrence that this needs to be a high priority. He stated
that there also needs to be either an intersection improvement at Durston and 7th; or Oak Street
extended through to 19th Avenue.
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Break - 8:26 to 8:31 D.m.
Mayor Swanson declared a break from 8:26 p.m. to 8:31 p.m.,
in accordance with
Commission policy established at their regular meeting of March 14, 1983.
.Con:nued discussion - issues to be resolved in DreDeretion for edoDtion of trensDortation Dlen
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5. COOPER PARK AND SOUTHSIDE NEIGHBORHOODS
A. "Diagonal diverters"
proposed for 6th and Koch and 6th and Story
Commissioner Knapp stated that a lot of the problems can be
helped by making the
collector streets and the arterials more usable, while making neighborhood streets less usable. She
suggested making the speed limits on the arterial streets a little higher and, in turn, reducing the
speed limits on the neighborhood streets.
Mayor Swanson stated that the diverters will force traffic
to other local streets, which
is not needed; and suggested that making one neighborhood's problem another neighborhood's
problem is not a good idea. He stated concurrence with Commissioner Knapp's suggestion that
arterials and collectors need to be made more efficient. He noted that South 8th should be made
.more attractive, reduce the speed limit on 6th and aggressively sign the local neighborhood streets
to suggest to the public that there is no through traffic.
Mayor Swanson suggested that a traffic circle could be tried,
referencing the Seattle
model; and he does not think the Commission should stand in the way of neighborhoods petitioning
for a traffic circle, provided that they offer to pay for it and maintain it.
Commissioner Frost stated he does not believe that signing
neighborhoods would keep
through traffic out of the neighborhoods and encourage use of collectors and arterials, although it
would be nice if this would happen. He noted that he would like to see traffic circles tried and
suggested that one or two should be tried to see what happens. He addressed the issue of speed
limits, stating that there is not sufficient police enforcement to regulate these speed limits.
He
etated that he would also like to see stop signs tried throughout a neighborhood in alternate
directions so there are no through streets created. Commissioner Frost went on to say that South
8th Avenue is used extensively as a collector street and as a residential street, with a school
nearby. He aCknowledged that as soon as the parking district is complete around campus, this
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street will be used less and less. He stated that the first move for the Commission is not to close
streets; but look for other alternatives.
Commissioner Vincent suggested the need for a combination approach
and an aggressive
program to diminish traffic in neighborhoods. He noted that not anyone thing is going to do it.
He then suggested that the Commission investigate its range of options and use stop signs to
enhibit or discourage traffic. He stated concurrence with Commissioner Frost's and Commissioner
Knapp's comments.
City Manager Wysocki stated that the only street that has not
been suggested for the
removal of traffic is South 19th Avenue. He asked the Commission to consider that there needs
to be an alternative to moving the north-south traffic and where would they like to put it.
Commissioner Knapp stated concern with traffic circles not
being put in those areas which
can not afford to pay for them. She noted that if the traffic
circles are going to be tried, they
should be the City's responsibility.
Mayor Swanson stated that the enforcement issue ought to be
included in the City budget
in the form of additional officers, and suggested that the public would support this. He stated that
.he has heard this suggestion from the public many times and the things that need to be done can
not be done with the current staff.
Responding to Commissioner Frost, City Manager Wysocki stated
that the addition of one
officer could cost up to $27,000 per year.
Commissioner Frost suggested that this cost could also be placed
in the transportation
plan.
Mayor Swanson asked for comments on Commissioner Knapp's point
of affordability and
fairness of traffic circles only in those neighborhoods that can afford them.
Commissioner Vincent stated that this is a good thing to think
about; she has raised a
good point.
Commissioner Frost stated that it is a good point; and the
same thing could be said about
.sidewalks. He suggested that if an area wants to try a traffic circle, they should be involved in the
cost.
Commissioner Knapp expressed concern with "the City pitting
those who have against
those who have not. n
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Mayor Swanson stated that most neighborhoods are not clamoring
for these traffic circles;
but there are a few. He suggested sharing the costs with those neighborhoods that want them,
noting the Commission should not prohibit them.
B. "Diagonal
diverters proposed for Fourth and Fifth Avenues at Alderson Street
. Mayor Swanson stated that his comments are repeated from 5A
above.
Commissioners Frost, Vincent and Knapp had no new comment.
C. Stop
signs at Olive Street and South 19th
Commissioner Frost supports signing the major traffic legs
of the intersection, citing the
stop signs at Arnold and Westridge, and Third Avenue and Wagon Wheel Road as examples. He
stated concern with through streets in neighborhoods; and noted that stop signs promote increased
speeds.
Commissioner Vincent concurred with Commissioner Frost's statements.
He questioned
what options are available under the law dealing with the placement of stop signs. He suggested
that years ago there was a mistake made by having traffic on Babcock and Mendenhall going one
way; and feels that "state-of-the-art two-lanes" should be considered.
. Commissioner Knapp stated that she had not yet made up her mind. She noted that she
has looked at it from both angles and can not come up with a solution to the problem.
Mayor Swanson asked if City Attorney Luwe had looked into the
legal ramifications of
going against extensive engineering theory, particularly if someone were killed at that intersection.
City Attorney Luwe stated that he has started to look into
it; but has not completed his
research. He noted some cases in Montana that deal with uniform traffic control devices.
He
suggested that one case points to evidence of negligence, although, that case did not involve a
stop sign. He stated that he has talked to Director of Public Service Forbes about doing a database
search to zero in on those cases involving stop signs; and noted they are still in the process of
doing that.
Mayor Swanson stated that a multi-million dollar suit against
the City for doing something
.hat is expressly forbidden is a concern. He informed the Commission that if someone
runs the
stop sign, put up against the advice of the engineers, then the City will be a guaranteed loser.
Commissioner Vincent stated that there was a recommendation on paper for a stop sign
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at the intersection of 7th Avenue and Olive; and asked if the Commission could put in a traffic
circle instead.
Mayor Swanson stated that a traffic circle there makes more
sense than a stop sign; and
therefore, should not be a problem.
. City Manager Wysocki stated that the traffic has to go somewhere. He noted that there
has been extensive discussion where traffic can not go but has not been any discussion where it
can go.
Mayor Swanson stated that with the improvement on Third Avenue
and Kagy, there is a
desire to keep people off Willson.
Commissioner Knapp stated that people are not meant to be kept
off South Willson;
rather, truck traffic is to be discouraged on South Willson.
Mayor Swanson stated that it was mentioned that it should not
be easy for people to get
to Willson, having people turning right or left going to Highland Boulevard or 19th Avenue instead.
Commissioner Knapp stated that people are not going to change
their habits rapidly. She
noted, for example, that people who are happy going across town on Tracy will continue to do
.that, no matter what. She stated that habits are very hard to break.
Commissioner Frost stated that at the NLC meetings in New Orleans
and at meeting he
attended in San Francisco, there were workshops on revitalizing downtowns; and in every case
where there was a one-way street downtown, the downtown deteriorated. He explained that Flint,
Michigan, is revitalizing and eliminating the one-way streets downtown, converting back to
two-way streets.
Commissioner Vincent read an excerpt from an article that stated
a 20- to 30-year plan
for Redmond, Washington "calls for re-creating a two-way traffic pattern through the downtown
to replace the one-way arterials and building new by-pass routes to funnel commuter traffic off the
downtowns". He suggested that building entirely new by-pass routes is a massive project; and not
necessarily what the City of Bozeman needs.
. Responding to Mayor Swanson, Planning Director Epple stated that Mr. Doug Widmayer,
preparer of the 1991 Transportation Plan Update, looked at the issue and concluded that our one-
way streets are very effective in carrying a large volume of traffic, and that they are going in the
right directions.
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City Manager Wysocki stated that about four years ago Grand Junction, Colorado
converted their one-way streets back to two-way streets; and people can not tell whether they
work better or not.
Mayor Swanson questioned whether the traffic, or the speed of the traffic, on Olive Street
_s the problem for the neighborhood.
, Commissioner Frost stated that a combination of the noise, dust and speed all increase
the objections.
City Manager Wysocki stated that for a while, people were running stop signs and hitting
other people. He added that at 9th and 10th Avenues and Olive, problems with people ignoring
stop signs is still a concern.
6. BIKE LANES ON MENDENHALL AND BABCOCK
Commissioner Vincent stated that what the Mayor outlined seemed like a good
compromise, except for the two-way traffic on Babcock and Mendenhall. He suggested that, with
all things considered, without radically changing Babcock and Mendenhall, the Mayor's plan is
acceptable.
. Mayor Swanson added that to make this work for everyone there would need to be better
sight triangles at intersections than there are now, especially on Mendenhall. He reiterated the idea
of having the bike lane on Mendenhall on the south side; and suggested that most of the cycling
traffic is turning south into the downtown area.
Commissioner Frost stated that he wants bike lanes on Mendenhall and Babcock and
parking on both sides of the street.
Mayor Swanson stated that there is a need for only one bike lane on Babcock and
Mendenhall as these are one.way streets and the cycling traffic is also flowing in one direction.
Adjournment - 9:34 p.m.
There being no further business to come before the Commission at this time, it was moved
.y Commissioner Knapp, seconded by Commissioner Frost. that the meeting be adjourned. The
motion carried by the following Aye and No vote: those voting Aye being Commissioner Knapp,
Commissioner Frost, Commissioner Vincent and Mayor Swanson; those voting No, none.
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