HomeMy WebLinkAboutEmail from Shawn Kohtz on NWX gravity Sewer 070820From:Shawn Kohtz
To:Matt E. Ekstrom; "Bryan Klein"
Cc:Lance Lehigh; Griffin Nielsen; Bob Murray; Lee Hageman
Subject:RE: Norton Sewer Outfall
Date:Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:29:35 AM
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At a quick glance, that is what I was thinking. I haven’t checked for conflicts or the sewer capacity of
the altered slope, but that seems to be a good starting point.
From: Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:25 AM
To: Shawn Kohtz <SKohtz@BOZEMAN.NET>; 'Bryan Klein' <bklein@blackridgeco.com>
Cc: Lance Lehigh <llehigh@BOZEMAN.NET>; Griffin Nielsen <GNielsen@BOZEMAN.NET>; Bob
Murray <BMurray@BOZEMAN.NET>; Lee Hageman <lhageman@m-m.net>
Subject: RE: Norton Sewer Outfall
Shawn / Bob,
We marked up the attached plan sheets with the changes needed. Please let us know if this makes
sense. We could get together with Sanderson and discuss if necessary.
Regards,
Matt
From: Lee Hageman <lhageman@m-m.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 2:03 PM
To: Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>
Subject: Proposed Modifications - Norton Sewer Near Baxter Lane
Matt,
I have attached a copy of the proposed modifications to deepen the Norton Sewer from
Manhole 1 to Manhole 4. The stationing, lengths, and inverts are approximate based on
my hand calculations, but are representative of what we are trying to accomplish.
Thanks,
Lee Hageman, PE
Land Development Engineer, Morrison-Maierle
406.922.6734
2880 Technology Blvd W, Bozeman, MT 59718
Matt E. Ekstrom, PESenior Land Development Engineer, Morrison-Maierle
406.922.6784 direct | 406.431.5819 mobile
From: Shawn Kohtz <SKohtz@BOZEMAN.NET>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:33 PM
To: 'Bryan Klein' <bklein@blackridgeco.com>; Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>
Cc: Lance Lehigh <llehigh@BOZEMAN.NET>; Griffin Nielsen <GNielsen@BOZEMAN.NET>; Bob
Murray <BMurray@BOZEMAN.NET>
Subject: RE: Norton Sewer Outfall
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Bob,
I had a discussion with Bryan. Please have Sanderson Stewart prepare a design cost to deepen the
sewer (Matt, please confirm the manhole terminus point (MH4?)). Please also have Sanderson
Stewart obtain a change order price from the contractor for the deepened sewer section. Send
Sanderson Stewart’s design cost to this group. Once the City receives payment for the design
change, please advise Sanderson to proceed with the work.
I’ll send Bryan an example agreement from another project as a starting point to draft an agreement
for the construction change order. Once Bryan’s legal team returns a draft agreement, we will have
the City’s legal team review.
Thanks,
City of Bozeman MT
Shawn Kohtz, PE
City Engineer
406.582.2280skohtz@bozeman.net
From: Bryan Klein <bklein@blackridgeco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 4:20 PM
To: Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>; Shawn Kohtz <SKohtz@BOZEMAN.NET>
Cc: Lance Lehigh <llehigh@BOZEMAN.NET>; Griffin Nielsen <GNielsen@BOZEMAN.NET>; Bob
Murray <BMurray@BOZEMAN.NET>
Subject: RE: Norton Sewer Outfall
Hello Shawn,
Just following-up regarding this topic. I’d like to move this forward and would like to get an estimate
of cost from Sanderson and the contractor. Can you jump on a quick call still today? Also, do you
have a similar agreement that you can share with me as a starting point for this agreement? I’ll be
traveling starting tomorrow until the 20th of July.
Bryan Klein
Principal
Office 406.582.8100
Cell 406.581.3812
Email bklein@blackridgeco.com
Web blackridgeco.com
From: Bryan Klein
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 2:39 PM
To: Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>; Shawn Kohtz <SKohtz@BOZEMAN.NET>
Cc: llehigh@BOZEMAN.NET; Griffin Nielsen <GNielsen@BOZEMAN.NET>; Bob Murray
(BMurray@BOZEMAN.NET) <BMurray@BOZEMAN.NET>
Subject: RE: Norton Sewer Outfall
Shawn,
Thanks for considering the design options outlined below. Your suggestion in #1 sounds like a good
plan but I would like to have an idea of the costs associated with the redesign and construction
change order. Understanding that time is of the essence, I’d like to schedule a call or meeting with
COB, Sanderson Stewart and the contractor tomorrow to discuss these pending work changes. Are
you available and who are the contacts at SS and the contractor (I’m not sure if they are aware of
this potential change)?
Thank you,
Bryan Klein
Principal
Office 406.582.8100
Cell 406.581.3812
Email bklein@blackridgeco.com
Web blackridgeco.com
From: Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 10:10 AM
To: Bryan Klein <bklein@blackridgeco.com>
Subject: FW: Norton Sewer Outfall
Call when you get a chance.
Thanks,
Matt
Matt E. Ekstrom, PE
Senior Land Development Engineer, Morrison-Maierle
406.922.6784 direct | 406.431.5819 mobile
From: Matt E. Ekstrom
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 1:52 PM
To: Bryan Klein <bklein@blackridgeco.com>
Subject: FW: Norton Sewer Outfall
We will take a look at the options Shawn presents below and get back to him. Thanks, Matt
Matt E. Ekstrom, PE
Senior Land Development Engineer, Morrison-Maierle
406.922.6784 direct | 406.431.5819 mobile
From: Shawn Kohtz <SKohtz@BOZEMAN.NET>
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 10:41 AM
To: Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>
Cc: Griffin Nielsen <GNielsen@BOZEMAN.NET>; Lance Lehigh <llehigh@BOZEMAN.NET>; Bob
Murray <BMurray@BOZEMAN.NET>
Subject: RE: Norton Sewer Outfall
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Matt,
Griffin is on vacation this week. Responding to your questions:
1. Generally we don’t oversize the sewer as suggested in Item 1 in your email below for all the
reasons laid out in the Ten States Standards (Section 33), but I have another suggestion as an
alternative: see the attached plans. There is a significant drop at the connection point of the
Norton sewer project at Baxter Lane to make a connection to the existing system. It looks like
over 3.5 feet of additional depth could be gained at manhole MH1A. There is another
significant drop in the sewer design at the creek crossing in Baxter Meadows before reaching
the intersection of Equestrian Lane and Arabian Avenue at Manhole MH3 (about 2’). There
are two more drops near the intersection of Arabian Ave and Kimberwicke St (MH 6 and MH
10) depending on how far you want to chase the sewer downstream. I’ve not checked for
conflicts for a deeper sewer at these locations, but at first glance the plans seems to indicate
it is possible to deepen the sewer through these areas. Let us know how far you want to go
downstream, and we will talk with Sanderson Stewart about the cost to redesign this portion
of the Norton sewer. If NWX will cover the cost of redesign and the change order
construction cost to deepen the sewer, we will have Sanderson Stewart start working on the
design change. The clock is ticking on the Norton project. Manhole 10 is planned to be set in
October, and Manhole 1A is planned to be set in mid November per the contractor’s current
schedule. There is time to process a design change and change order, but it would need to
happen fast. If NWX wants to pursue this, I suggest that NWX prepare a draft agreement that
we can have City Legal review and while that is happening provide a payment to the City for
the design change services for Sanderson Stewart’s work to get the ball rolling. Bob Murray
and I will process the design change with Sanderson Stewart once we have payment for the
design cost. NWX will need to let us know how far downstream you want to pursue deepened
sewer to instruct Sanderson Stewart how far to redesign. Once the design change is
complete, the City will ask the contractor for a change order price for the deepened sewer
and forward that on to NWX. NWX would need to pay the change order cost to the City
before we authorize the change order. Any other thoughts from this group?
2. It seems the logical point to chase the deepened sewer would be to Manhole 3. Thoughts?
3. Again, generally we don’t do this and DEQ doesn’t allow it for the reasons outlined in the Ten
States Standards. However, the option outlined it Item 1 seems to allow for over 5’ additional
depth at MH1A compared to the current design.
4. We have more time to answer this question depending on the NWX development timing. The
City is in the process of updating the Community Plan and Future Land Use Map as well as the
Wastewater Collection Facilities Plan. If that updated planning indicates the need for an
increased line size due to increased density assumptions upstream, it may be justified to use a
larger size but likely not as large as 27”.
5. Same commentary as the items outlined above.
Thanks,
City of Bozeman MT
Shawn Kohtz, PE
City Engineer
406.582.2280skohtz@bozeman.net
From: Griffin Nielsen <GNielsen@BOZEMAN.NET>
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 12:01 PM
To: Shawn Kohtz <SKohtz@BOZEMAN.NET>; Bob Murray <BMurray@BOZEMAN.NET>
Subject: FW: Norton Sewer Outfall
Bob, do we have an electronic set for Norton that I can kick over to Matt or could you send me
the contact with Sanderson and Stewart who can provide the plans?
I’m getting questions from Morrison-Maierle on the Norton Project and wanted to run my
response by you guys before I send them over. I don’t know of anywhere in the City where we
have an upstream sewer larger than downstream.
1) In regards to the Norton Davis sewer (first attachment) – could we go to a 33” pipe
laid at min. slope (0.052%) instead of the proposed 27” at 0.15%? NWX would pay
for the oversizing of the sewer main and any extra cost of the deeper install. –
Upsizing may be consider provided the velocity and capacity requirements are met,
however, - It may be consider but the M&M is response for the design work and we
can’t approve changes which will delay the Norton project.
2) On the Norton Davis sewer. Could we start making the sewer deeper with the
proposed MH in Questrian Lane? Could you get me the plan sheet showing this
section of main? – We’ll get you the plans and let you run the numbers
3) Could we go to a 33” pipe at min. slope (0.052%) in Baxter Lane from the tie in of
the Norton Davis sewer back to the corner of Cottonwood Road and Baxter Lane
(NE corner of the NWX project)?
1. It is approximately 1212’ from the tie into the Norton Davis line
and the corner of Cottonwood Road and Baxter Lane. If we
have to say with the 27” at 0.15% (this is what the existing in
in Baxter Lane is at) vs 33” pipe laid at min. slope (0.052%) –
we would lose ~ 1’ in potential elevation we could use to get
further to the west in Baxter Lane. The 33” pipe laid at min.
slope (0.052%) will pass the Q=4210 gpm needed for this
line. – Oversizing won’t be allowed. Jumping up pipe sizes
maybe acceptable provided (as you mention above) that
capacity and velocity requirements are met at min slope and
pipe sizing only increases going downstream.
4) Could we oversize the proposed main in Baxter Lane (west of the intersection of
Baxter Lane and Cottonwood Road) to a 27” line laid at min. slope (0.067%) to gain
more vertical elevation? This would be larger than the Sewer Master Plan 15”
main. In short no. We can’t oversize without justification and the only way to do this
is with the Master Plan update. Redirecting flow in the master plan to justify the
upgrade will rip through the downstream system likely causing the Norton sewer to
be under sized.
5) This proposal would have a 33” pipe running into a 27” pipe – we would need a
deviation from MDEQ to do this. If we had the COB support we think we could
convince MDEQ to grant the deviation. – We can’t support the deviation.
Thoughts?
City of Bozeman MT
Griffin Nielsen, PE| Engineering Department
406.582.2280
gnielsen@bozeman.net
From: Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:30 PM
To: Griffin Nielsen <GNielsen@BOZEMAN.NET>
Cc: Bryan Klein <bklein@blackridgeco.com>
Subject: RE: Norton Sewer Outfall
Griffin,
We are digging into the Baxter Lane gravity sewer option for NWX. I have a host of
questions in regards to what the COB would allow for any proposed new line running from
the Norton Davis 27” back to the NWX property. The second attached drawing shows the
questions we have:
1) In regards to the Norton Davis sewer (first attachment) – could we go to a 33” pipe
laid at min. slope (0.052%) instead of the proposed 27” at 0.15%? NWX would pay
for the oversizing of the sewer main and any extra cost of the deeper install.2) On the Norton Davis sewer. Could we start making the sewer deeper with the
proposed MH in Questrian Lane? Could you get me the plan sheet showing thissection of main?
3) Could we go to a 33” pipe at min. slope (0.052%) in Baxter Lane from the tie in of
the Norton Davis sewer back to the corner of Cottonwood Road and Baxter Lane
(NE corner of the NWX project)? 1. It is approximately 1212’ from the tie into the Norton Davis line
and the corner of Cottonwood Road and Baxter Lane. If wehave to say with the 27” at 0.15% (this is what the existing in
in Baxter Lane is at) vs 33” pipe laid at min. slope (0.052%) –we would lose ~ 1’ in potential elevation we could use to get
further to the west in Baxter Lane. The 33” pipe laid at min.slope (0.052%) will pass the Q=4210 gpm needed for this
line. 4) Could we oversize the proposed main in Baxter Lane (west of the intersection of
Baxter Lane and Cottonwood Road) to a 27” line laid at min. slope (0.067%) to gainmore vertical elevation? This would be larger than the Sewer Master Plan 15”
main. 5) This proposal would have a 33” pipe running into a 27” pipe – we would need a
deviation from MDEQ to do this. If we had the COB support we think we could
convince MDEQ to grant the deviation.
Thanks and let me know if you have questions or would want to get together to discuss this
information.
Regards,Matt
Matt E. Ekstrom, PE
Senior Land Development Engineer, Morrison-Maierle
406.922.6784 direct | 406.431.5819 mobile
From: Griffin Nielsen <GNielsen@BOZEMAN.NET>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 11:05 AM
To: Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>
Subject: FW: Norton Sewer Outfall
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Matt,
I grabbed Bob and pulled the design report for Norton Davis. Here is a link to a file share for the doc,
let me know if you can access it: https://bzncloud.bozeman.net/s/yCgWFK5mN4X5zGn
Looks like the 27” line needs a min of 0.15% to convey the demand so there may still be some
wiggle room on that section. Let me know what you come up with and we can start pulling the
teams together.
Thanks,
City of Bozeman MT
Griffin Nielsen, PE| Engineering Department
406.582.2280
gnielsen@bozeman.net
From: Matt E. Ekstrom <mekstrom@m-m.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:21 PM
To: Griffin Nielsen <GNielsen@BOZEMAN.NET>
Subject: Norton Sewer Outfall
Griffin,
We are still working on analyzing the sewer option of re-laying the 27” sewer in Baxter to
allow NWX to gravity sewer vs the private lift station option.
Anyway, I looking at SS plans (attached) – would it be possible to install the 459 LF of 27”
sewer shown on the attached drawing at minimum grade (S=0.067%) vs what they areshowing? This would almost pick up another 1.0’ of depth that would translate back to the
manhole at the corner of Cottonwood and Baxter. They may have a reason for running it atthis slope?
Thanks,
Matt
Matt E. Ekstrom, PE
Senior Land Development Engineer, Morrison-Maierle
406.922.6784 direct | 406.431.5819 mobile
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